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| Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 07:28 am |
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Chris Etzkorn AFCA Member 
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though i would try japaning a different color .tren for a blood or wine red . Attached Image (viewed 1016 times):
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| Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 07:37 am |
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Sam Reed Guest
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Nice color! What model is that? The parts look just like my 29646. I'm going to have to do some research on the Japanning process - my newly-acquired 17666 needs a top-to-bottom restoration, and I'm not sure if I want to powder-paint it or not.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 07:48 am |
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Chris Etzkorn AFCA Member
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this one is a 71666 . i have a blue what i hope will dry as a royal blue but thats a while off .
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| Posted: Thu Nov 5th, 2009 05:52 pm |
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Steve Stephens Guest 
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Chris, What makes your coating "japan"? If I'm not mistaken "black japan" has, as a main ingredient, asphaltum, and I think it was you who said he had done a japan finish that was black. Asphaltum is black and, if used in a paint, you can't get other colors than black. I think there may be other coatings that may be called "japan" but am not familiar with them. Can you tell us more? Do you make your paint or buy it? How do you apply? Do you bake at a high temperature or is the oven to help cure the paint at a lower temp?
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| Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 06:00 am |
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Chris Etzkorn AFCA Member
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i make my own: linseed oil ,copal resin ,and turpentine is basic varnish then you add pigments ,drier, other types of resins . the japaning of 1901 is not the same as 1927. i did alot of digging and reading then experimenting . ever notice the gold color laquer on fan blades ? its a varnish that has a gold tint to it . sometime ill try to make it . hard part is finding a source for supplies . violine makers make their own varnish . its alot of trouble but its a challenge and looks nice . just wish i could hang around to see how long my lasted . japaning is a term that if you research it youll see how paint developed . as far as baking 350 on the black aspht. it depends on the pigment and some you dont heat . some are harder than others . some blacks dont use aspht, but a black pigment and a cheap grade of resin . resin ranges from :amber to tree sap ,has to do with age . http://chestofbooks.com/reference/Henley-s-20th-Century-Formulas-Recipes-Processes-Vol3/index.html http://www.archive.org/details/recipesforcolour00anal
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| Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 06:20 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Thanks Chris. It's amazing how you got such a bright red by mixing a bunch of ingredients. Probably not rocket science unless you haven't done it before.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 06:23 am |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member 
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Chris, interesting stuff. Try going to Google patents and enter "Asphaltum Paint" into the search engine. When I removed the original brass colored ?? from my 05 G.E. pancake cage I saw something in the solvent. That something was like fine brass metal flakes. One of the early paint patent descriptions clearly indicates the use of metal flakes for......pigment.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 07:35 am |
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Chris Etzkorn AFCA Member
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yes ive been playing with the stuff . ive made gold paint with it . silver is aluminum .sometime i want to do this emerson pedestal fan in white with gold trim but that's aways off . one thing might want to point out is that they used LEAD as a drier in the paint . no epa back then ,there is no telling what was used to make the paint . wounder how the worker faired who used the stuff day in day out ?
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| Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 07:50 am |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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If you experiment on google patents you can find early paint patents that list all the ingredients. The century of Emerson book I have shows castings in process of painting in the early 20s. The workers were provided at that time with a individual paint booth with ventilated duct work. No masks and the use of compressed air spray guns. I am sure many were smokers and life expectency was short of getting gray hair.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 04:24 pm |
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Jerry F Bacon Guest 
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Chris Etzkorn wrote: . wounder how the worker faired who used the stuff day in day out ? Probably just fine, i've worked around lead things for around 45 years and seem to be just fine. Cheers from Dallas Jerry F Bacon
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| Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 04:32 pm |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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Jerry F Bacon wrote:Chris Etzkorn wrote:. wounder how the worker faired who used the stuff day in day out ? Chris, Jerry is an exception, he runs on HIGH OCTANE fuel. 
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