AFCA Forums Home
Home Search search Menu menu Not logged in - Login | Register
AFCA Forums > Antique Fan Collectors Association > Pre-1950 (Antique) > Missing Link Found in Saint Louis

 Moderated by: Steve Cunningham, Rod Rogers, Larry Hancock Page:  First Page Previous Page  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  ...  Next Page Last Page  
New Topic Printer Friendly
Missing Link Found in Saint Louis  Rating:  Rating
AuthorPost
 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 02:53 pm
   
121st Post
Bill Hoehn
AFCA Member


Joined: Fri May 13th, 2011
Location: Chesterfield, Missouri USA
Status: 
Offline
George, John  and Jeff,
 
I sincerely appreciate your positive comments and interest in the old Emersons.  I have much more unknown information (to most) that I enjoy sharing with those who value the facts and don't try to change them.
 
I'll have to hurry though, because our first great grandchild Stella arrived this week, and I hope to be able to enjoy her! That's a whole other story. Her mother was working in surgery when her "water" broke, so she called for relief, went to her car and drove to the maternity ward. She said the delivery "was easy---nothing to it"! That's not what Laverne said when Stella's grandfather was born and I can't repeat what she did say!  One friend says Stella comes "from sturdy stock". Sorry that's off track.
 
Any questions about Emersons? The company referred them to Warren and me the last couple of decades. Warren was  a self-taught electrician and much more knowledgeable than I. Emerson and their successor apparently have no interest in their past. They refused  my offer to give them old Emerson publications and they were nice enough to let me copy all of theirs. Some were destroyed or lost while being transferred from one plant to another. Incidentally,  one of their later motor plants was in Menominee Mich.

Back To Top    

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 03:07 pm
   
122nd Post
Russ Huber
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: Southwest, Wisconsin USA
Status: 
Offline
John Trier wrote: Along with the other historians Russ and Steve we get a picture that becomes more and more clear.
Alternating current desk fan makers of that time period such as Ries & Scott, Wagner, Interior Conduit, Davis, etc. were all brushed AC motors. Scott & Janney AC desk fans stepped into the picture in 96.
 
 All I can find digging through the respected electrical books of 94 and 95 is strong evidence the Emerson Induction brushless fan motor was not on the market in 94. It is and CLEARLY stated the Emerson induction desk fan was introduced to the market in 95 through the 95 Electrical World. It was stated in an Emerson Electric biography written in 04 that Emerson was stepping forward toward AC induction motors based on the gaining popularity of 60 cycle frequency around 95.
 
Think about it....the introduction of an Emerson brushless induction motor for the 94 fan motor season would of been like seeing Christ walk on water for the first time in 94.  Yet not a peep of its existence found in the 94 Western Electrician, Electrical Age, Electricity, and Electrical world. 
 
Mr. Hoehn is not responding to my last posts, but I can suggest something to him. He suggests he does not share his catalogue material but only with close friends.  Chuck Abernathy is about as close to God as it gets.  If Bill would please email a copy of a clearly DATED 94 Emerson catalogue page of the Emerson induction motor ON THE MARKET with back lever that is NOT mismarked and undisturbed in any way to Chuck Abernathy.  If Chuck can validate beyond a doubt by post that it is indeed displayed in the Emerson 94 catalogue for market I'll rest my case and add this to my knowledge of Emerson fans. 
 
I am not trying to give Mr. Hoehn a hard time, I simply don't base facts on someone's word of mouth.  If I were Mr. Hoehn I would very eager to validate my claim with documentation!  Being he does not want to post it on the forum, I have made what I feel is a very sound and confidential suggestion to validate his 94 catalogue page truly sports the Emerson brushless induction motor.      

Back To Top  

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 04:26 pm
   
123rd Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
Bill Hoehn wrote: Please find the Sept. 18, '94 Emerson patent (I don't know how---and will admit it). I assume it is the induction motor replacing the brush and commutator motor replaced in 1894.
Here is what I have found from the "American Fan Patents" books done in 2005 by Jim DeNoyer and Paul Pierson in addition to what I have observed stamped on some Meston motor tag photos.

491,970  Feb. 14, 1893  Meston and Emerson Induction tags
http://www.google.com/patents/US491970?dq=491970&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9nS5U9L8AtKzyASIyYKADw&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA


D22,277  March 7, 1893  Meston and Emerson Induction
http://www.google.com/patents/USD22277?dq=design+22,277&hl=en&sa=X&ei=YnW5U62LB9GiyATsqoGICg&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA


March 14, 1893  Meston
Russ, do you have the patent number for this March 14, 1893 patent?  If you can pm me I will fill in the information here.  Also any other patents pertaining to the Emerson Meston or Emerson Induction fan motors?

16,561 (British Patent) 1893  Meston  
5,486 (British Patent) 1893  Meston
Does anyone know how to look up these two British patents?


526,083  Sept. 18, 1894 Emerson Induction tag

http://www.google.com/patents/US526083?dq=526083&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hne5U6jFD82cyASho4DABw&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA


605,850  June 21, 1898

http://www.google.com/patents/US605850?dq=605850&hl=en&sa=X&ei=sHe5U4DDOISbyATdlIDYCw&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA


618,131  Jan. 24, 1899

http://www.google.com/patents/US618131?dq=618131&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5He5U7o70YbIBJrUgsAN&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA

Photo below from Fanfair 2013.  Bill, is this your Meston (commutator and brush motor)?

Attached Image (viewed 790 times):

IMG_2041.JPG

Last edited on Sun Jul 6th, 2014 05:49 pm by Steve Stephens

Back To Top    

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 04:27 pm
   
124th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
Motor tag from Emerson Induction motor photographed at Fanfair 2013.  This is a back switch fan motor.

Attached Image (viewed 797 times):

IMG_2043.JPG

Back To Top  

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 04:28 pm
   
125th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
And another motor tag from a Meston brush and commutator fan motor.

Attached Image (viewed 779 times):

IMG_2081.JPG

Back To Top    

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 04:31 pm
   
126th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
Another Meston motor tag.  Here you can see the top switch lever that is on ALL Emerson Meston fan motors.

Attached Image (viewed 799 times):

motor tag.JPG

Last edited on Sun Jul 6th, 2014 06:12 pm by Steve Stephens

Back To Top  

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 04:32 pm
   
127th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
Bill Hoehn's (I think) Meston from Fanfair 2013

Attached Image (viewed 787 times):

IMG_2036.jpg

Back To Top    

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 04:37 pm
   
128th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
Emerson Induction fan motor with back switch was introduced in 1895.  The Meston brush and commutator motor continued in production and was still shown in the 1898 Emerson catalog but the back switch model had evolved into a slightly different "1897" design which was also included in the 1898 catalog.

Attached Image (viewed 785 times):

IMG_2038.jpg

Back To Top  

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 04:39 pm
   
129th Post
David Foster
AFCA Member


Joined: Sat Jul 27th, 2013
Location: Lexington, Missouri USA
Status: 
Offline
Do all Mestons specify the number of winds on the motor tag?
 This thread is teaching me so much. 

Last edited on Sun Jul 6th, 2014 04:54 pm by David Foster

Back To Top    

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 04:40 pm
   
130th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
Closeup of the fan motor above.  The front bell on this and believed to be all bronze case motors have cast into the front case "MESTON AC 1/8 HP MOTOR"

Attached Image (viewed 789 times):

IMG_2044.JPG

Back To Top  

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 04:44 pm
   
131st Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
The "1897" Emerson Induction motor no longer used the bronze case and the front of the motor had cast into it "EMERSON INDUCTION MOTOR".  Some of the 1896 models used a similar motor case as this fan but the "MESTON AC 1/8HP MOTOR" designation was cast into that motor front bell.

Attached Image (viewed 791 times):

IMG_2045.JPG

Back To Top    

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 05:16 pm
   
132nd Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
Another Meston motor tag.

Attached Image (viewed 771 times):

Meston_badge.jpg

Back To Top  

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 05:16 pm
   
133rd Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
One more...

Attached Image (viewed 773 times):

$4101 8-04 to R. Padron.6c_1.JPG

Back To Top    

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 05:22 pm
   
134th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
As far as I know ALL bronze end bell Emerson fan motors use this casting.  I do not yet know if the Meston with the switch handle on the top front of the bell is the same casting as used with the Emerson Induction back switch fan motor but with the slot milled into the cover.  If the castings are the same made from the same patterns it's very possible that Emerson was just using what they had instead of making up a new pattern to read EMERSON INDUCTION MOTOR

Attached Image (viewed 782 times):

Meston motor cover.JPG

Back To Top  

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 05:24 pm
   
135th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
'Morning Steve,
Looks and feels like a good morning to stir up some more ----!.
No question Bill, we do learn more by stirring.

Where to start? There are so many errors in your first thread! I won't even bother to correct them.
Please, do point out my errors.  How are we to learn when errors are found but not pointed out to correct?  I will discuss anything about fans and will also say WHY I think the way I do or WHERE I got my information.  I don't try to avoid anything and want to get it out for all to see and discuss.

Please find the Sept. 18, '94 Emerson patent (I don't know how---and will admit it). I assume it is the induction motor replacing the brush and commutator motor replaced in 1894.
Patent info posted in Post No. 123 above.
Even I know that to "assume" can be dangerous and lead to incorrect information we all do assume at times.  I have not "assumed" much in my posts here other than to think that the use of the MESTON marked front motor end bell on the back switch Emerson Induction motor is a money saving issue where the pattern for the Meston motor front end bell was used, maybe in modified form, for the new Induction Motor.  Bill or anyone else, can you take a look at the front bronze motor bell on both the Meston and the back switch Emerson Induction motor that has the cast in MESTON name on the bell?  Are both identical to one another but the Meston has the slot for the switch lever milled into the bell or are they noticeably different and in what way?

I will ramble on. Every tripod that I have seen with later hole-drilled feet is assumed to be for securing them with screws, which was common practice then. 

As to the EI, FI, etc. confusion I have Emersons CONFIDENTIAL TECHNICAL DATA catalog NO. 87 (which was loaned to employees for $50.00 and had to be returned). This is where all of our known Index to Type literature came from. Bulletin 1462 lists FIs through FI9 and EIs through EI6 and the use of each, but since "I'm a man of integrity", I can't reveal more!

On No.1994 they discuss the use of the new General Electric Company hanger for wall fans and it's use for Emerson fans.

On No. 1388 dated July 1, 1912 they discuss "Meston" Fan Motors. It reads: This company is no longer prepared to supply spare parts or make repairs to "Meston" desk fans, types M-1 and M-2. None of the above types have been made during the past fifteen years,(Bill's comment---since 1896?)and all such fans have, accordingly, given all of the service which could reasonably be expected from the apparatus and must be in such condition that any repairs would only be temporary relief. (They had no idea of the future AFCA and it's ingenious members!) In other words, such motors have outlived their usefulness, and from this time on the cost of repairing will not be warranted by the service which may b expected from the motors. All parts and patterns for these old types have been discarded, and customer should be advised in every case that he will obtain more satisfactory results by procuring new apparatus of later design than by attempting to procure further service from the old types, M-1 and M-2.

I'm beginning to feel as verbose as you Steve, but there is a lot more.
I don't think we are men of few words but nothing bad about that is there?

As far as I remember no one has ever discussed another Emerson tripod listed and pictured in Catalogue No. 2110. on pages 24 & 25.It is the EMERSON RESIDENCE FAN MOTORS. TYPE E.I. 21. The details are all there and include "This motor operates at one-half the speed of the regular Desk Fan, and is extremely noiseless in operation. It does not throw as strong a blast of air as the regular motor, but gives sufficient breeze for use in residences, and is the only Alternating Fan Motor that can be comfortably used in the sick room."
This fan motor (half speed) sounds similar in purpose to the single speed GE pancake made in 1899 that ran much slower than their normal two speed models.  I have "assumed" (thought) that the Emerson catalogs I have seen (1896 and 98) showed all models but maybe there were some specialized models made in low numbers that were not shown in the catalogs.  I hope Bill that you will someday share the information you possess with the fan community and will not allow to happen to it what is happening to Bill Voigts' collection when he did not have a Will or something set up for its disposition.  I know he would have wanted his collection and knowledge to remain with fan collectors in some way.

Wrapping this up for now I'll just mention one other thing Steve. In the 1896 catalog, which you use for details, note that every fan is a Meston, the "Old Reliable" and the "Emerson Electric" (Mfg. Co.---assumed known by everyone) Alternating Induction Fan Motor. With out exception they have the Meston end bells in bronze and the small three hole arrangement for the guard attachment---Unlike the Emersons to follow. Of course the end bells are obviously different for the top switch Meston and the hanging switch Meston.
The rear end bell is different between the Meston front switch and Induction rear switch models but is the FRONT BELL different on each motor OTHER THAN the slot milled (?) in the front for the Meston speed lever?  If that slot was not milled in the cover would the cover be the one used on the back switch model?
I agree that all of the 1896 cataloged models do have cast in the front bronze bell MESTON AC 1/8 HP MOTOR but do not agree that the back switch models, in spite of the name cast into the front bell, is a Meston Motor.  The 1896 catalog differentiates between the Meston and the Emerson Induction fan motors on p.18 under "Special Directions for Fan Motors".

I'll wait anxiously for your response. Incidentally, just about all of the Mestons referred to in your "threads" were mine at some point in the past.

Last edited on Sun Jul 6th, 2014 06:38 pm by Steve Stephens

Back To Top    

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 06:40 pm
   
136th Post
Bill Hoehn
AFCA Member


Joined: Fri May 13th, 2011
Location: Chesterfield, Missouri USA
Status: 
Offline
Hi Steve,
I really admire your ability to store and retrieve data. I can not. I rely on memory and have to retrieve the physical sources, which takes me a lot of time. That is why I could never in several lifetimes correct all the errors I see on line.
When I use the word assume it means I do not know---pretty obvious. I was way off assuming the Sept.18, 1894 patent was for the hanging switch model. I never knew there was a several year delay between production and the patent date being added to the motor tag.
From your pictures you can see the great differences of the two Meston models under discussion.
As far as verbosity is concerned, I agree. However, I didn't appreciate it this A.M. for our sermon!
Sorry about you losing your friend Bill. Your involvement is similar to what mine was with Warren. Good luck! I'm covered with a Trust, Will and even a burial site and a tombstone.
Thanks again for your response on the patent info. I believe all of your pictures with the exception of two are my fans. I'm afraid to go look for fear I'll lose this.
Keep up the good work and remember all fans marked MESTON are MESTONS!!!!!!!

Back To Top  

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 07:26 pm
   
137th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
I have posted the information below in the blue outline but wanted you to be able to see the actual 1896 Emerson Catalog page (courtesy of Steve C.).  In the outlined area is how Emerson differentiates between their "Meston" and their "Emerson Induction" fan motors.  Their "Emerson Induction" fan motor does not fit Emerson's description of their Meston fan motor and, thusly, it is not a Meston.

Attached Image (viewed 783 times):

1896 copy.jpg

Back To Top    

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 07:41 pm
   
138th Post
Gary Hagan
AFCA Member


Joined: Tue Jan 15th, 2013
Location:  
Status: 
Offline
Somewhere overthe course of the last 4 pages of thread I have forgotten what exactly is being debated. Are you guys debating the year the last meston was made? Can someone spell it out to me?

Back To Top  

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 07:49 pm
   
139th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
My point is to prove that the Emerson Meston fan motor is the one with the front switch and is a brush and commutator motor while the Emerson Induction fan motor is not a Meston because it does not have brushes and commutator.  The Emerson catalogs state that the Meston fan motor is a brush and commutator motor.

Back To Top    

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 07:50 pm
   
140th Post
Jim Kovar
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Feb 21st, 2011
Location:  Lincoln, Nebraska USA
Status: 
Offline
This is the Meston missing link
I'd love to find.

C'mon, will somebody please post
a pic or two of theirs?!

A youtube video would be nice!
 
We'd all really like to see it.
 




Last edited on Sun Jul 6th, 2014 07:56 pm by Jim Kovar

Back To Top  

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 07:56 pm
   
141st Post
Bill Hoehn
AFCA Member


Joined: Fri May 13th, 2011
Location: Chesterfield, Missouri USA
Status: 
Offline
Hi David,
In my limited experience I have only found winds on the top switch (I.V.S.) model Mestons

Back To Top    

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 08:04 pm
   
142nd Post
Bill Hoehn
AFCA Member


Joined: Fri May 13th, 2011
Location: Chesterfield, Missouri USA
Status: 
Offline
I have the original catalog from Emerson. It hasn't got more complicated. Just look at the front of each tripod based  fan found to see if it is an Emerson or a Meston. 

Back To Top  

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 08:11 pm
   
143rd Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
Bill Hoehn wrote: I have the original catalog from Emerson. It hasn't got more complicated. Just look at the front of each tripod based  fan found to see if it is an Emerson or a Meston. I have been reading copies of original Emerson catalogs.   Just look at the information printed in those catalogs and it will tell you what is a Meston and what is an Emerson Induction motor.  The catalogs DO DIFFERENTIATE between the two.

Back To Top    

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 08:13 pm
   
144th Post
Gary Hagan
AFCA Member


Joined: Tue Jan 15th, 2013
Location:  
Status: 
Offline
So since the fan bill recently found has a 4 pole induction motor Steve you believe it is an emerson with leftover meston markings.

Back To Top  

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 08:22 pm
   
145th Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
It is an Emerson fan, not doubt.  I think that Emerson made their Meston fans and bronze bell "Emerson Induction" fans using the same or similar cast bronze front bells with MESTON cast in them.  Emerson says that a Meston is a brush and commutator motor and those all have the front top switch lever.  That should be enough to quell any question.  Get to know the fans better and not just by reading what is cast on the motor.  There's a lot more to the subject than what seems obvious at first.

Back To Top    

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 08:27 pm
   
146th Post
Bill Hoehn
AFCA Member


Joined: Fri May 13th, 2011
Location: Chesterfield, Missouri USA
Status: 
Offline
Steve, Most of our AFCA members are collecting fans not catalogs.

Back To Top  

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 08:33 pm
   
147th Post
Bill Hoehn
AFCA Member


Joined: Fri May 13th, 2011
Location: Chesterfield, Missouri USA
Status: 
Offline
Jim, 
Don't be too surprised if the Revolving Meston shows up in the not too distant future!
I doubt if there will be postings on it though! There are quite a few of us that like to keep a lower profile!

Back To Top    

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 08:35 pm
   
148th Post
Russ Huber
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: Southwest, Wisconsin USA
Status: 
Offline
Steve Stephens wrote: Bill Hoehn wrote: Please find the Sept. 18, '94 Emerson patent (I don't know how---and will admit it). I assume it is the induction motor replacing the brush and commutator motor replaced in 1894.
 
 
March 14, 1893  Meston
Russ, do you have the patent number for this March 14, 1893 patent?  If you can pm me I will fill in the information here.  Also any other patents pertaining to the Emerson Meston or Emerson Induction fan motors?


Go get em, Steveo.

Attached Image (viewed 755 times):

US493439-0.png

Last edited on Sun Jul 6th, 2014 08:35 pm by Russ Huber

Back To Top  

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 08:36 pm
   
149th Post
Russ Huber
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: Southwest, Wisconsin USA
Status: 
Offline
.

Attached Image (viewed 744 times):

US493439-1.png

Back To Top    

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 08:36 pm
   
150th Post
Russ Huber
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: Southwest, Wisconsin USA
Status: 
Offline
Radial commutator.

Attached Image (viewed 754 times):

US493439-2.png

Last edited on Sun Jul 6th, 2014 08:37 pm by Russ Huber

Back To Top  

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 08:37 pm
   
151st Post
Steve Stephens
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: San Anselmo, California USA
Status: 
Offline
Bill Hoehn wrote: Steve, Most of our AFCA members are collecting fans not catalogs.So right Bill but catalogs are the historic documentation of the fans.   

Back To Top    

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 08:50 pm
   
152nd Post
Bill Hoehn
AFCA Member


Joined: Fri May 13th, 2011
Location: Chesterfield, Missouri USA
Status: 
Offline
Steve,
If you ever get a hanging switch Meston that you decide to sell, would you please give me the first chance to buy it? Of course I would expect to pay the going Emerson tripod price, since that is what you continue to call it!! 

Back To Top  

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 08:55 pm
   
153rd Post
Russ Huber
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: Southwest, Wisconsin USA
Status: 
Offline
Steveo, Alexander Meston went to his just reward late May or early June of 93 after a 7 month battle with Tuberculosis.  So Alex was out of the picture for filing Emerson patents more than likely sometime before and after.

Back To Top    

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 08:58 pm
   
154th Post
Tom Dreesen
AFCA Member


Joined: Fri Nov 25th, 2005
Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana USA
Status: 
Offline
Steve Stephens wrote: Bill Hoehn wrote: Steve, Most of our AFCA members are collecting fans not catalogs.So right Bill but catalogs are the historic documentation of the fans.  
And with the catalogs available to common AFCA members, they produced an induction motor fan with Meston on the bell as late as 1898.

There is no way possible that they are "using up" old castings.

Back To Top  

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 09:00 pm
   
155th Post
Jim Kovar
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Feb 21st, 2011
Location:  Lincoln, Nebraska USA
Status: 
Offline
Bill Hoehn wrote: Jim, 
Don't be too surprised if the Revolving Meston shows up in the not too distant future!
I doubt if there will be postings on it though! There are quite a few of us that like to keep a lower profile!

Bill, I hope I am reading and interpreting
the above correctly!

A pic or two sent to me, would stay with
me in confidence.

Back To Top    

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 09:15 pm
   
156th Post
Russ Huber
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: Southwest, Wisconsin USA
Status: 
Offline
94 The General Electric thanks to the AC motor patents of Elihu Thomson produced a self starting brushless AC fan motor. Westinghouse brushless induction fan motor advertised in 95.   

Attached Image (viewed 745 times):

booksH44CMMM2.jpg

Back To Top  

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 09:21 pm
   
157th Post
Russ Huber
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: Southwest, Wisconsin USA
Status: 
Offline
1894. 95 advertisement.

Attached Image (viewed 739 times):

GoodEnough..jpg

Last edited on Sun Jul 6th, 2014 09:22 pm by Russ Huber

Back To Top    

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 09:26 pm
   
158th Post
John Trier
AFCA Member


Joined: Fri Feb 10th, 2006
Location: Adel, Iowa USA
Status: 
Offline
Bill Hoehn wrote: George, John  and Jeff,
 
I sincerely appreciate your positive comments and interest in the old Emersons.  I have much more unknown information (to most) that I enjoy sharing with those who value the facts and don't try to change them.
 

Any questions about Emersons? The company referred them to Warren and me the last couple of decades. Warren was  a self-taught electrician and much more knowledgeable than I. Emerson and their successor apparently have no interest in their past. They refused  my offer to give them old Emerson publications and they were nice enough to let me copy all of theirs. Some were destroyed or lost while being transferred from one plant to another. Incidentally,  one of their later motor plants was in Menominee Mich.

Bill ....... In an effort to add to this thread and to try and get into the mind of you and your association with Warren,  I've come up with this question......  As you examine the various Mestons/tri-pods, you are able to determine what the company did as the years went by, and you put less stock into what might be written in the electrical world or other catalogs.  In other words, .....  you balance what is written with what you have handled and seen over the long years of personal study?   If true, I find this to be the highest form of investigation.  It's as if you had another "sense" that none of us can possibly have, one that only comes with your hands touching and your eyes seeing?   Do I get the picture here?

As I try and rebuild a collection, I was thrilled to buy a PI241 in fantastic condition.   I always take note of the "head wire" when judging how much a fan was used, and the head wire here is perfect with no wear what so ever.    The blade is perfectly balanced and correct but the cage (also perfect) has the smaller open ring in the front and not the larger one.  I cannot explain why the fan is so perfect (paint/running condition/blade & matching patina on blade and cage) but the cage is.... by everyone's account is wrong.   It seems as if they just put on the "new" proposed cage for next years model????  Any thoughts here would be greatly appreciated.

 

Back To Top  

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 09:27 pm
   
159th Post
Russ Huber
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: Southwest, Wisconsin USA
Status: 
Offline
All I could read about for Emerson in 94 was the old reliable brushed Meston desk fan...fact Jack.

Back To Top    

 Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2014 09:55 pm
   
160th Post
Russ Huber
AFCA Member


Joined: Mon Nov 14th, 2005
Location: Southwest, Wisconsin USA
Status: 
Offline
I did Google patent scan "INDUCTION MOTOR  ST. LOUIS" for 93, 94, 95, 96 and came up with Edwin Pillsbury's AC motor patent.  That is it.  Charles Meston induction motor related patents pertain to late 90s CFs at best. It appears Emerson jumped on the induction motor desk fan based on the patents of another with a twist to keep the sharks off their back?

Attached Image (viewed 725 times):

20140525_120616.jpg

Last edited on Sun Jul 6th, 2014 09:57 pm by Russ Huber

Back To Top  

Current time is 03:47 pm Page:  First Page Previous Page  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  ...  Next Page Last Page    
AFCA Forums > Antique Fan Collectors Association > Pre-1950 (Antique) > Missing Link Found in Saint Louis Top



Beige Theme By: Di @ UltraBB
UltraBB 1.17 Copyright © 2007-2008 Data 1 Systems
Page processed in 0.3544 seconds (38% database + 62% PHP). 38 queries executed.