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 Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2014 07:12 am
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Chris Heinis
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brass-Blade-Fan-Westinghouse-old-antique-vintage-oscillating-parts-desk-3-speed-/321579911066?nma=true&si=eYBnh00G%252FSVUjlAaJl3XWC0xnKU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557#ht_70wt_847

I need the mounts for the cage.  I bought this cheaply but it looks like a basket case.  I hope the rest of the parts are there

 

 

 

 

 

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 Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2014 10:04 am
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Package deal, if you are interested -- won't split them up and sell only the struts.

http://www.afcaforum.com/forum2/35345.html


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 Posted: Mon Nov 17th, 2014 03:54 pm
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Chris, you will end up many dollars ahead and with much less time spent if you start with a good and running fan or a common old one made of cast iron.  Those stamped steel Westys are hard to work on and not worth a whole lot when you get finished.  My recommendation would be to sell or part out what you have and find another fan or a cast iron fan.

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Steve Stephens wrote: My recommendation would be to sell or part out what you have and find another fan or a cast iron fan.
Hey Steveo, don't deprive the poor man the privilege of removing his stator to change the head wire. That is just plain wrong.

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Russ Huber wrote: Hey Steveo, don't deprive the poor man the privilege of removing his stator to change the head wire. That is just plain wrong. What Russ is saying is that removing the stator on those stamped steel Westy motors can try your patience and sanity.  If you can get your fan complete and running you are an expert.

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Kim Frank wrote: A piece of PVC machined to a couple thousandths over the stator diameter. Stick the motor housing against the edge of the PVC with the stator fitting inside, slap it on the concrete floor a couple of times and you have a removed stator. No bent or torqued housings....Mike Petree turned me on to this a few years back. I normally don't bother with pressed fit W/H motors but unfortunately, that is what is on the Gyros.......There is a lip that catches the stator and keeps it from falling thru the PVC.

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Doug Handley wrote: Here is a very durable Westy stamped steel stator removal tool manufactured by Russ Petta from a scrap Westy motor housing.  The inside has been ground/sanded so the stator being removed will fall into the remover tool and easily retracted therefrom.  It would work on the same principal as the PVC pipe Kim showed.

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Doug Handley wrote: another view

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The Westinghouse stationary stamp steels with the stator in the front housing require drilling out two of the stator stud holes in the housing slightly wider.  You can then use a drift punch back and forth between the holes to drive the stator out.  Wad a rag under the housing and the vice screw so the stator does not fall out and damage the windings. 

 

The nice part about the stationary stamp steel housing hole you drilled slightly larger is they will be covered by the guard support(strut)

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If you drill two holes to drive out the stator with a drift punch from a stamp steel oscillator, you will be driving out the stator from the rear housing. Now you will have to keep in mind there is no guard support(strut) to cover the widened hole. When you drill the hole keep in mind how you will cosmetically conceal the holes you drilled. Or, don't care about the stupid holes, your call.

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Whatever you do.....DO NOT bang around on that housing and distort it. You will be in a world of feces when you slap it back together and your rotor is tighter than a frogs a-- and won't spin....fact Jack.

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Forgot one.

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Stator fits into the machined oversize PVC. The lip of the housing sits flush on top of the PVC.  PVC can take a pounding.  You grab the motor housing fitted into the PVC firmly with both hands and pound the PVC on concrete.

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Chris, pretty soon Russ should have the 234 page manual for working on these Westy fans posted.  Good fans but not one most collectors want to work on due to the difficulty of removing the stator.

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If the stator is not overly stubborn, this will be your result. This housing should be free of distortion.

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I have had one or two that were so stubborn the Petree couldn't budge em.  I had to drill holes and use a drift punch method.  I had to cut the centrifugal switch wires free from the stator and drove the stator out. You can see where I drilled and widened the stator stud holes to drive the stator out with a drift punch.  This would of worked on a centrifugal start stationary or Westy Rotaire.

 

If you cut the centrifugal wires before removing the stator, leave enough wire between the cut and stator to solder new wires to the mechanism.   

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Westy Stamp steels can be a pain. If you restore them right, they run smooth and quiet.

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Steve Stephens wrote: Chris, pretty soon Russ should have the 234 page manual.
Easy Steveo, I'm on a roll. I can multi task.

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Direct current brush motor 30 VDC rail coach Westy with laminated stator. Top speed roughly 1100 RPM + or -.  Just purred along. Would of been more than likely in a sleeper car. 

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Pretty Westy Russ.  Is that a two speed 6 wing as are the first of the 1912 6 wing models?  Here's mine in original finish and with the ORIGINAL black paint on the bronze bearing carriers (they, as you know, were never left unpainted and most bearing carriers are made of pot metal).  Also, no speed numbers on the fans as they came from Westinghouse.  Sometimes I will see a faint OFF in gold paint by the switch.  This fan is all original unless you feel that the brown plastic zip cord with the dinky plug is not...which it is not.

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I am posting my photos to show how these fans came from the factory, at least as close as we will see them today.

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Bronze bearing carriers on these very early stamped steel models but always painted.

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And the two speeds are forced to be just that by a brass stud keeping the switch from going into the third speed which may or may not be there; I have not tried to bypass the stud electrically to find out.  It's the slow speed that is missing and only on the early 6 wing models.

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Blued steel oil cups on later tanks and afterwards.  I would not be surprised to find some blued brass oil cups but probably on the later tanks.  Back to the topic at hand but your posts and mine and others should help show Chris more about Westy stamped steel motors.  The original finish was "dull black" and I guess this fan is what would be called that.

Chris, the motor tag on your fan would tell fairly closely when it was made, within a few years after the "micro date" on the motor tag, a tiny date in parenthesis that you can see on my fan's tag in the lower left corner (1912).  The date was changed ever few years on average and probably when a new batch of tags were ordered and/or with different information on the tag.

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Hey Guys, what about this one

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Here you go Dennis.

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Thanks Tony

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tony,
Can I rent that tool from you?
The first fan I took apart I tapped the inside of the bell and the stator. The stator actually came out relatively easily. I have two more coming will see how they come apart.

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