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 Posted: Sun Sep 6th, 2015 01:43 am
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Royal Norman
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Is the base cut off on this guy? Or did they make them this way?  Can't find any examples on the internet. 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/C-1900-Manhattan-1-electric-battery-fan-brass-blades-/161812971272?&autorefresh=true
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I noticed that too Royal.  Here's a No.1 in our gallery.  That eBay base has been operated on.

http://www.fancollectors.org/Manhattan/Manhattan.htm

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Looks like they chopped it so that the huge blades would fit :hammer:

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Royal Norman wrote: Is the base cut off on this guy? Or did they make them this way?  Can't find any examples on the internet.
Steve Stephens wrote: I noticed that too Royal.  Here's a No.1 in our gallery.  That eBay base has been operated on.
Blade may be wrong but the base...

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From the Ohio Electric Works catalogue.

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The eBay pics...

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So you think that it's actually made this way? Is Ohio Electric and Manhattan connected in some way?

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The post 5 sewing machine picture shows that the base may have been designed with the front cut off so it could sit close enough to the sewing machine base to have the pulleys line up.

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Cory Baughn wrote: So you think that it's actually made this way? Is Ohio Electric and Manhattan connected in some way?
They are not connected in anyway. I have a catalog from Ohio Electric and ever motor or fan in the catalog was made by other companies and rebadged by Ohio Electric.

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Chad,  I bought this fan on EBay and would like to explore Donald Coleman reproducing a nameplate for it if there originally was one on it.  From the post that shows "Ohio Electric Works" it is not clear as to whether there actually was a nameplate or if I hey were advertised with their name under it to appear to be the manufacturers.  Can you better identify it from the printed catalog?  Additionally what year does it appear to be manufactured?  Lastly what is your opinion on restoration?  Leave it alone, remove the dirt, clean but not polish the blade?  Any thoughts and opinions will be greatly appreciated.

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Rick, I would just leave it alone. Your call. I can trace the Manhattan No.1 back as far as 95.

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I see Wright was using your blade as early as 91. I rather doubt your fan is a freak.

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Rick Powell wrote: From the post that shows "Ohio Electric Works" it is not clear as to whether there actually was a nameplate or if I they were advertised with their name under it to appear to be the manufacturers.
Rick, I can see the nut connecting the
magnet to the base in the illustration.

Is across the cut of the base where you
think the "Ohio Electrics Works"
nameplate would be?

Ohio Electric Works as stated on the
front cover of the catalogue is a
wholesaler and retailer of electric
supplies.  I don't think they manufactured
any products.  Anyone know differently?

Did any of their wares have their name
on it?  Stamped, etched, placarded etc.?


Rick Powell wrote:Any thoughts and opinions will be greatly appreciated.
Add a light!  :clap:

http://afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=35966

Just kidding!  :shock:

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That fan should have a brass name tag on top.

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Steve Cunningham wrote: That fan should have a brass name tag on top.
It does.

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Jim Kovar wrote: Ohio Electric Works as stated on the
front cover of the catalogue is a
wholesaler and retailer of electric
supplies.  I don't think they manufactured any products.  Anyone know differently?


I most cases back in those times the supply house that markets another manufacturer's product as an agent will tag the the product as their own. 

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There is evidence to validate a manufacturer and retailer/agent on the same tag. 

 

BUT...I can't find, or am aware of anything to validate your Manhattan No.1 without a doubt was a product sold through Ohio Electrical Works. I am unaware of any other examples like yours to confirm.

It is a shame the Ohio Electric Works image Jim shared does not show a Manhattan motor tag on top of the fan motor frame.

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It appears as though the Ohio Electric Works name is simply painted letter by letter to be visible on the underside of the base. If that trips your trigger...what to hay...huh?:D

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Russ,  Thank You for the additional information, I plan on leaving it alone as it has taken over a decade to achieve the patena. I believe you are correct in stating "Ohio Electric" was the retailer and not manufacturer of the fan, kind of sneaky of them putting their name under the fan to confuse us over a hundred years ago.  Thanks again.

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Rick Powell wrote: I believe you are correct in stating "Ohio Electric" was the retailer and not manufacturer of the fan, kind of sneaky of them putting their name under the fan to confuse us over a hundred years ago.  Thanks again.

At this point, Rick, I feel it safe to state none of us can validate your fan had "Ohio Electric" advertised on it. Jim has pointed out a strong possibility it was.

Back in the late 19th going into the 20th century an agency, or agencies were critical to the newly formed manufacturer. Keep in mind men like Tesla and Edison were viewed by the vast general public as wizards, rather than men of flesh and blood. :D

The process of getting your name established as a manufacturer involved strategic location of agencies established for most part in the large cities east coast, west coast, and central and south US. And don't forget getting your product overseas.

Eck free of the Roth firm had his first fan motor on the market in 96. As far as I know at this time Eck was his own agent in NY in 96. If so, Eck had his hands full trying to manufacture fan motors and find a market for them. By Jan. of 97 Eck had contracted with the ESTABLISHED NY agents Goldmark & Wallace. This gave Eck the freedom he needed to focus on what he did best......make fan and utility motors and dynamos.

Goldmark and Wallace made claim in 19th century electrical trade to be the manufacturer of Eck's product. The advantage to this is in 1897 who to heck was this Eck guy? :D In 1897 the east coast knew who to h ell Goldmark & Wallace was. They were a motor brush supplier/agency prior to taking on agency for Eck.

Being Eck dumped the G&W agency in 03 and lost the "Hurricane" name off of his fan motors in 03-05, would be a heads up G&W held the rights to the Eck "HURRICANE" trademark.

In a nutshell, the manufacturer's agencies put the manufacturer on the map for most part back then.

The Electrical trade building located 136 liberty in NY would of been a marvel to see back then. Full of offices and agencies both domestic and foreign representing numerous US manufacturers.

 

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Russ Huber wrote: ...none of us can validate your fan had "Ohio Electric" advertised on it. Jim has pointed out a strong possibility it was.

On the contrary, Russ,
not a strong possibility.

In my above post,


I wrote: Is across the cut of the base where you
think the "Ohio Electrics Works"
nameplate would be?

and 

Did any of their wares have their name
on it?  Stamped, etched, placarded etc.?

In both questions, I was
trying to convey doubt that
"Ohio Electric Works" was
ever on the fan.

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Ok. Gotcha.

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Russ Huber wrote: It appears as though the Ohio Electric Works name is simply painted letter by letter to be visible on the underside of the base.

I think Ohio Electric Works
and their block engraver
took an artistic liberty.

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Jim Kovar wrote: Russ Huber wrote: It appears as though the Ohio Electric Works name is simply painted letter by letter to be visible on the underside of the base.

I think Ohio Electric Works
and their block engraver
took an artistic liberty.

Did you notice you can see the mounting nut with clarity on the underside of the base. Why would they recess the engraving in the darkness behind the mounting nut?

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Why would they even paint letters back in the darkness of the underside of the base?  And....why so serious? :wondering::D

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I only have two Manhattan Catalogs. Both show the round base. My catalogs are 1904 & 1911.

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Perhaps similar to the Manhattan ad with the name of the selling company marked into the illustration, this 1929 hardware store catalog for iron cookware has GRISWOLD added to the illustrations for the dutch oven and bread stick pan in locations that were never marked on the pieces themselves.  Just a way to show who made or sold an item.

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Evidence to support Mesco motors run off the dry cell batteries in 1894. Battery Motor outfits under "SPECIALTIES'.

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Jim,  do you have the book you posted in the picture?  Would like to get a copy of it to go with he fan if at all possible.
Rick

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Rick Powell wrote: Jim,  do you have the book you posted in the picture?
I don't, Rick.


Was a pic snag from a
long ago ebay listing.

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Rick, download the PDF file from the

below link for a hi-rez image to copy.


https://books.google.com/books?id=W-dQAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA47#v=onepage&q&f=false




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Thanks Jim I appreciate it.

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Back to 5th, 9th & 10th Posts..... to all appearances that's a Fidelity motor with the sewing machine...







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This Fidelity motor was Bill Voigt's.   I haven't gotten it to run yet.

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Steve Rockwell wrote: Back to 5th...   ...Post...
So, who made the long-necked fan?


Looks a bit top heavy to me...




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And who made this OEW fan?



Currently offered on eBay at a very

dirt-cheap 'Buy It Now' price.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/162655976759

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Seven Volts,...   half an Amp...

Broke out my trusty slide rule...


Only three and a half Watts!


Output of a flea's breath?   :wondering:

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I don't think there was ever any writing under the base as seen in the ad. It looks like creative interpreting, unless somebody has an actual example with a tag under the base as seen.

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