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1903 Type AD Form C.....trunnion mount, large cage badge, 4 struts, full rib base, five speeds, large brass motor tag, 10 wire cage, cast brass blade hub. What holds true for 1903-1908 12 inch trunnion fans is the same for the 16 inch fans. There may have been some carry over of the 16 inch solid frame fans, but for the most part, the new models are swivel trunnion. Base and trunnions are the same size as their 12 inch counterparts. To accommodate the larger size blade/cage, a riser is used between the base and trunnion. 1903/04 risers are ribbed....

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1903 2nd variant....motor features three struts. Eight wire cages start to appear, as do stamped brass blade hubs. You will see 10 wire cages with stamped hubs, 8 wire cages with cast hubs...etc. Everything else is pretty much the same.....Type changes to AK, Form remains C....

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1903 Type AK form C  3rd variant...Base changes to half ribbed. Everything else remains pretty much the same....eight wire cages use the smaller GE badge....

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1904 Type AK Form D...Same as the 3rd variant 1903. Rotors hubs begin to change over from a cast brass 4 spoke hub to laminated with holes.......

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The cage on this one has a pierced rear ring, but the badge is slotted to fit over s wires. Maybe a repair??? Who knows?

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1904 Type AK Form D. While the only change to this model is the motor tag becoming small, I will call it the 2nd variant......

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1905....No more type or form letters...Trunnion stems start to change thickness from 5/8ths" to 3/4", Wing bolts begin to change over to brass shoulder bolts, Motor positioning begins to use thumb screw in the trunnion instead of a notched spacer....

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side....Riser changes from ribbed to smooth. Neck of base uses a set screw and thumb screw to hold trunnion, instead of just a set screw like previous year..

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1906....base changes to all smooth. Motor housing remains the same as prior year......steel struts start appearing...

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1906 2nd variant....Motor housing changes to smooth....Like it's 12 inch counterpart, the trunnion becomes smoother also.

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and 1908 remain the same as the 2nd variant 1906. Serial numbers will be the only way to tell the year of manufacture.

 

This thread is brought to you courtesy of the AFC Museum at Fanimation. Come by for a visit and see all of these fans, along with another thousand or so............

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   Thanks, Kim
Outstanding informative thread, a real incentive to get to the museum.

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Kim Frank wrote: 1904 Type AK Form D. While the only change to this model is the motor tag becoming small, I will call it the 2nd variant......
Just a small edition to 1904, 16" Pancakes thread, I have another type of Name plate for this year it is narrow about 0.900" and the same length as the wide one.

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Thanks Kim,

I appreciate the work and extra effort put into your Pancakes!  Can you just begin to imagine what you would have now if you had started with EMERSONS!                         

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Thanks Bill. And yes, I can imagine....I'd be busy baking cookies, having afternoon tea parties, binge watching the HallMark Movie Channel, boohooing at all the sad scenes, and probably driving some Dodge pos to Bingo........Around here, Friends don't let friends collect Emersons....

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Hahaha very funny Kim
When was the last pancake made?

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Hey Jon, I missed you in Louisville....The cakes go thru 1908

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Steve Stephens wrote: Here is Stefan's Form C (1903) crowfoot.  I didn't think the crowfoot was made that late.
Edit:  It wasn't made that late and Kim informs me that Form C is not the same as with the 12" AC models where it is 1903.    I actually had this fan listed as a 1900 model but the pinned cage would not have been made that year but would have had the wires wrapped around the rear ring.   This cage looks like a new reproduction and is constructed as would be a 1901 through earlier 1903 with pinned rear ring.  1900 16" would have had wrapped rear wires.  Serial No. for this fan is 61608 that fits into the 1900 year.


I don't think it was made to be wall mounted as there are no mounting holes or tabs on the base.

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There is nothing about the Crowfoot (Fishtail) fan that fits neatly into a category of described characteristics for a given year, say 1900. If that were the case, then what you said about the cage would be correct, it would be wrapped instead of pinned to the rear ring. But....then the motor would not have vent holes around the perimeter of the housing. And having vent holes, the strut pattern would be in a cross, not an X pattern using the motor studs for mounting if we follow what we know as cues for given 12 inch model years. On top of that, the motors should be back switched....I know of at least 9 or 10 of these fans. There are two with solid motors ( no perimeter vent holes)with one having a wrapped cage and one a pierced cage. There are at least five I know of with perimeter vent holes and struts in an X pattern. One of those I know has a wrapped cage. There's at least one out there that is DC, using the roundball motor. It's cage is incorrect if we go by what is normal. There's one out there with perimeter vent holes, wrapped cage, and struts in a + pattern. And then there's the photos of one that Steve R. posted....So what is the norm? 

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While technically these aren't 'Pancakes" , they were produced at the same time as cakes...

This is a 12 inch 1903 dc type DA form C. What holds true for the cakes carries over to these...10 wire cage, cast brass blade hub, C as the form letter...

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1904 Type AA form D......saw those type letters on the 1901/02 16 inch fans. This one is 125v 40 cycles. It uses the same switch and choke coil as the AC cakes....

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Back...8 wire cage, form is D, blade is cast brass (usually stamped brass hub) coil holder is brass straps...all typical cues for the 1904 model year...

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1905 125 v 40 cycle  trunnion mount...

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Missed u too Kim
Wish I could have made it
But I couldn't
Thanks it's been neat looking at these pancakes

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