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 Posted: Tue Jan 18th, 2011 05:51 pm
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John Hilliard
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Hey everyone,

   As you may know, I am into the early Emerson fans.  I was fortunate enough to obtain one recently, a tripod base FI-1, dated about 1899-1900, shown below. 

   I was wondering if you have this type fan, earlier models, Meston, or another type made very early, if you will share a picture and any info you have, where you found it, etc.? 

Thank you,

John :up::up:

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 Posted: Wed Jan 19th, 2011 12:33 am
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 Posted: Wed Jan 19th, 2011 12:33 am
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 Posted: Wed Jan 19th, 2011 12:34 am
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 Posted: Wed Jan 19th, 2011 12:35 am
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I was wondering what 7200 alts on the motor tag means?

Anyone? 

John :up:

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60 cycles per second x 60 seconds per minute x 2 alternations per cycle = 7200 alternations per minute. An older way to denote the frequency. You'll also see 13,000 alts/min (edit: that should be 16,000 alts) on some early Emersons. That's 133 cycles/sec.

Emerson's PI-241, 910, probably the 1010 and other very early fans were still using alts instead of cycles.

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Steve: I think, 16,000 ALTS would be 133 cycles!

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Thanks for catching my error Ron. 16,000 alts it is for 133 cycles.

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 Posted: Wed Jan 19th, 2011 02:56 am
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So Steve,

    You said in your earlier email, that the tripod came with a steel cage?   Did some, or all of these fans originally have a steel cage? 

    I was told the cage on my fan was a Mike Petree reproduction.  

    Mike is making me an oil reservoir cap and I should have it soon.  The fan will be complete once I get the cap. 

    Either way, it is a beautiful fan.   I am looking for another maybe older version meston/tripod fan.  If I find another, older, I may sell this one.  Not sure, but I am intriuged by these fans.

   If this fan could only talk!   It would be interesting to know it's 111 year history.

Thanks for the earlier info and pictures.

John :up::up::up:

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John, I've heard tell of original brass cages for the later (post 1897) tripods but, of the two complete originals I have seen, both had steel cages. It doesn't seem likely that the tripods came with both steel and brass in any given year though it's sure possible. For later years (1900-1901) maybe the cage changed to brass. Not having seen any original brass cages I can't say.

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1892 ad and article in Electrical World May 21st 1892.  Notice no cage.  3 month guarantee.


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From the 1896 Emerson Fan Catalog, the top switch Meston.

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From the 1896 Emerson Fan Catalog the Backswitch Meston.

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Cages:  Brass or Nickel

K. D. = Knock Down

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You guys got me confused now!

Closed guard

Open guard

Knock down

The knockdown is one that can ship flat... right?

So am I looking at a closed guard in these pictures?

Can someone enlighten me?

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Previous post was the 1897 version of the knock down guard.  Following picture is from the 1896 catalog and it has a different style of knock down.

John, I believe that is correct, the knock down guard comes apart to be flat.  At least mine does.

Have never seen a fan with the open or closed guard....anybody out there with the real deal that can post a picture of one?

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Oh my. Look at the housing on that fan! Absolutely stunning! Such detail.

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Mine is a late model tripod and has original steel guard.

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Chad, is your fan late enough to have the stamped aluminum motor tag and manhole cover oiler as used on the PI-241?

Interesting that the cage wires wrap clockwise around the mounting screws. First I've seen that way on an original steel cage although I have seen only two originals.

Does anyone know the last year Emerson made the tripod? 1901? I know if was being sold alongside the new PI-241 but not sure when that fan came out.

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Yes it is that very one, stamped aluminum tag and man hole cover oiler.

 

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Nice fan!

Does the blade hub have male or female threads? I was told that the 1898 hub had male threads then Emerson changed to female threads like later Emersons. Only I have not seen such a tripod hub with female threads.

How does your fan run on 60 cycles? Have you tried it?

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To be honest with you Steve it has been many years since I had it apart and do not remember the hub threads.  I have plugged the fan in for a couple seconds and turned the swith on and it started and I unplugged it (that is about all I ever do to any of my fans).  I feel very fortunate to have a complete original example.

 

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That.fan.is.ridiculous!

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Chad,

  I see the pinstriping is the same as my fan.  Your fan is EI-1, mine FI-1.  My fan had a four wing blade like yours, but was changed out by Jeter for some reason.
  It is interesting the progression in these fans.   I am glad to see another marked so sparingly with small pinstripes like my fan.  The gold accent lettering on the back of my fan looks to have been added by Ron also.  Pictures from the previous owner do not show the gold accents on the back.

Thank you,
John
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There is a nice early completely original tripod example stuffed in a closet in florida, I would love to see another image of that fan but dont expect it too appear.

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This is my 1898 model. Steel cage is a Paul Graves replica.
I have come to my senses that this is probably an 1899 model since the original blade is stamped "Patent Applied For" and the patent was applied for in 1899.  I have never seen an 1898 tripod in person, just a photos that may be 1898 but I could never get more photos of the fan or of the motor tag and Serial Number to confirm.

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Now thar be some patina! The blades on your fan, Steve, look incredible. The aging was well on that one. Its got an almost textured look to it.

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1898 switches did not have the two binding posts and were wired a bit differently. Only very thin wire will fit the switch.

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Steve,

You have image of the motor  tag?

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My motor tag. The middle number is undecipherable but does not look to have been restruck.

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Can we bring this topic back from the dead?

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Richard Daugird wrote: Can we bring this topic back from the dead?Yes we can and the topic of 'what is a Meston" needs to be resurrected so all who doubt what a Meston is and isn't can be convinced but I know that would be a hard sell.

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I'd pay double the dues to not see this crap started over....

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Not looking to debate, just want to see everyone's early Emersons.

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Top Switch Meston

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What diameter is the motor on that beast?

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