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 Posted: Fri Feb 23rd, 2018 12:25 am
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Michael Beaudette
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My brother just got this fan at a recent pick in an old house in MA.  He found it hiding under a pile of coats in a closet. Fortunately for me he thought of his big bro and grabbed it for me.  Would love some info on it such as year, originality etc.. As always any info will be much appreciated. 













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 Posted: Fri Feb 23rd, 2018 12:48 am
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Form "C" is an '03. Ten S-wire pierced rear cage is correct, full ribbed base is correct. Serial # should be 140,000ish to 180,000ish. Looks like a winner to me, congrats! It appears to be in great shape!

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 Posted: Fri Feb 23rd, 2018 12:49 am
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Great find Michael!! The circa on that is 1903. Doesn't look like you have to do much to that fan excellent condition.

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 Posted: Fri Feb 23rd, 2018 01:13 am
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Dang, that is one of the nicest original cakes I've seen - the paint under what little dirt is there looks practically immaculate

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Lewis Fitzgerald-Holland wrote: Dang, that is one of the nicest original cakes I've seen - the paint under what little dirt is there looks practically immaculateIt would be a shame to restore that fan.   It deserves a nice conservation instead without polishing the brass.

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Great shape! Nice find! I wish I could come across a wild one. :eyes

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The GE fan motor department must of been huge to have so many variants within one fan motor season.  The is a very nice example.

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Pssssssssssssst.........you have the 02 cake "frowny" brass off indicator by your base switch knob like my 03 trunnion mount.  Some have it....some have the "smiley".   :D 

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03 Trunnion with a 02 "frowny" off indicator.

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 Posted: Fri Feb 23rd, 2018 06:28 am
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How do you guys keep finding this incredible stuff? The odds of me finding something like that in somebody’s garage or closet down here are pretty much nil.

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Nice find Michael. It's the 2nd variant for type AB form C....three struts and full rib base. First variant has four struts. Third variant has three struts and a half rib base. The trunnion mount follows the same characteristics, except its' type letter designation goes from AD to AK. The cages and blades start to appear with stamped brass hubs and eight s-wires during the late second variant.
Not sure what was going on with the OFF tag. The base for the "frown" tag has a cast in boss, whereas the 'smile' tag is just screwed on top of the ribs. The examples that I have seen for the 1902 solid frame 16" use the 'smile' tag (no boss) and it's the 12 inch models that use the 'frown' tag.. Of the 11 models of 1903 fans in my collection, only the first variant trunnion mount 12" BTH has the 'frown' tag. The nine GE models and a CGE all have the 'smile' tag. It's not until the first variant 1904's that a boss is cast in for the 'smile' OFF tag....Makes for interesting collecting......

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Kim, between you and Steve, the knowledge of these little differences is astounding. Do you know all this off the top of your head, or do you have it written down? I can't remember the combo to my gym locker...

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 Posted: Sat Feb 24th, 2018 12:49 am
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Thank you Everyone for the great info and comments.

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 Posted: Sat Feb 24th, 2018 01:52 am
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Kim Frank wrote: Nice find Michael. It's the 2nd variant for type AB form C....three struts and full rib base. First variant has four struts. Third variant has three struts and a half rib base. The trunnion mount follows the same characteristics, except its' type letter designation goes from AD to AK. The cages and blades start to appear with stamped brass hubs and eight s-wires during the late second variant.


Not sure what was going on with the OFF tag. The base for the "frown" tag has a cast in boss, whereas the 'smile' tag is just screwed on top of the ribs. The examples that I have seen for the 1902 solid frame 16" use the 'smile' tag (no boss) and it's the 12 inch models that use the 'frown' tag.. Of the 11 models of 1903 fans in my collection, only the first variant trunnion mount 12" BTH has the 'frown' tag. The nine GE models and a CGE all have the 'smile' tag. It's not until the first variant 1904's that a boss is cast in for the 'smile' OFF tag....Makes for interesting collecting......






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...Have to wonder what the view is if the photographer pivoted around...

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I guess they bossed the early 03 bases to use up leftover frown tags from 02. Manufacturers never wasted anything at this time. Probably decided no to boss base for new smile tag. Why bother with extra expense. Unusual to see frown tag and base on such a late 03 pancake.

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From the volume of pancakes in the picture easy to see why parts and pieces could easily get mixed and interchanged.

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1st(4 strut/cast hub/full rib) and 2nd(3 strut/cast hub/full rib) GE variant 03 trunnion models with "frowny" off markers mounted on embossed base:D

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A better shot of a "frowny" on the 2nd variant GE tagged 3 strut. 


Kim Frank wrote: The examples that I have seen for the 1902 solid frame 16" use the 'smile' tag (no boss) and it's the 12 inch models that use the 'frown' tag.. Of the 11 models of 1903 fans in my collection, only the first variant trunnion mount 12" BTH has the 'frown' tag. The nine GE models and a CGE all have the 'smile' tag. 

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James Henderson wrote: From the volume of pancakes in the picture easy to see why parts and pieces could easily get mixed and interchanged.
Yup.  An 05 12" cake I once owned had the OFF tag riveted on the base factory using the correct size rivet on one side, and a larger head wing to hub mounting rivet on the other. The inspector at the end of the line must of had a rough weekend.   :D  

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For what it's worth: Type AA, Form B, No 137966

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Looks like there is no rhyme or reason to them......

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I have a first variant 1903 trunnion with the bossed smiling tag.

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Kim Frank wrote: 
Looks like there is no rhyme or reason to them......

Better you than me figuring the rhyme, I just stick to the cake basics gained through electrical trade.  :D  The GE fan motor department would of been a nut house at such corporate scale, full of chiefs and Indians.  I recently posted a 13 advertisement that stated GE in 12 pumped out more fans motors than an any of the previous years.  AB/Jandus would of got a chunk of them. 

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Tom Morel wrote: I have a first variant 1903 trunnion with the bossed smiling tag.My first variant (or close to the first) has a no-boss smiling tag.   Happy fan, happy owner, happy breezes.

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A very happy fan and owner down here too Steve. Have you found a chronological trend with the tags/bossings?

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Michael: That fan would clean up GREAT!!!!!

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Tom Morel wrote: A very happy fan and owner down here too Steve. Have you found a chronological trend with the tags/bossings?Sure haven't Tom.   I have had a smile and a frown early 03 trunnion but no others and, to see a trend, one has to see many more examples which I don't have.   Kim is the King of the pancake men, maybe he has figured out the smiles and frowns and who's boss.

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No trend that I see. Just a haphazard process the way the tags were attached. Here's that odd ball 1903 base.....set up like a 1905 as I remember.

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Maybe Mike's fan is another Foss Fan!  :P  :D  :wondering:

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From my 1903 type AB form C.  First half of 1903.  In the last half of the year GE changed to a half ribbed base and I think introduced three struts in that later 1903 mode.  My guess is they used the parts they had that day.  

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