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 Posted: Sun May 20th, 2018 05:55 pm
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To start, this is my first vintage Vornado, but not my first Vornado, I also have two newer Vornados (a flippi v6, and a vfan classic mini). The vfan classic mini is what really pushed me to try an old one out, as I mainly collect older fans, (pre-1930's) and so far, I love it. I bought it with the intention of restoring it, but my mom says she really likes the patina, as it is covered with a mixture of brownish surface rust. So now i'm a little conflicted on weather I should follow through with my plan, or leave it as it is. Aside from the surface rust, it is in decent shape. It has no dents, the motor looks to be in mint condition, the speed coil looks like it was re-wound, and after oiling the bearings, the fan runs smooth, and has a long coast-down. This fan is a perfect candidate for the rustic look, as it functions flawlessly, but has a lot of character. Also good to note, the sticker on the bottom of the base is perfectly in-tact. I would like to get some opinions before I restore the fan, and I would also like to know the year of it. 










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by the looks of the way the cage is made and the badge style it appears to be a late 1940s or early 1950s model.

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 Posted: Mon May 21st, 2018 02:39 pm
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Thanks for the input, in that case I hope I put this in the right section of the forum then. I thought it was one of the older ones because it is made by o.a. Sutton. 

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O. A. SUTTON owned Vornado up until the 1960s I believe, if I remember correctly so the fan would definitely be from the 1940s or the 1950s.

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 Posted: Mon May 21st, 2018 10:31 pm
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1950s for sure. I used to have one of these. Hard to work on.

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Actually, it wasn't too bad the inner cone was hitting the blades when I got it. I took the whole motor assembly apart and pulled the blades further away from it.

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I would HAVE to sand that rust off and paint it! Deserves to look good!

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That's what I thought. It was really hard to find spray paint that came close to the original color. But I managed to find some that are similar, after driving to 4 different stores!

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ANYTHING would be an improvement! "Patina" is not in my vocabulary; it's RUST! I made a deal on one of those Vornados myself recently, but don't have it yet. Neat little fans.

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Richard Daugird wrote: ANYTHING would be an improvement! "Patina" is not in my vocabulary; it's RUST! I made a deal on one of those Vornados myself recently, but don't have it yet. Neat little fans.


Be careful. Don't want to start a war...


(Patina is different from Rust)

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I probably am going to restore it, just thought it looked kind of cool in it's original state.

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It does look cool! Its wear and tear over the years represented in the fan. It's lasted a long time. Those vornados are cool but I think sometimes the restored ones don't look too different from the ones that were made in the last ten years. My 2c anyway

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I would just clear it Satin.

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It's probably going to stay as-is until I can get a rubber grommet kit for it. 

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Ron Shterenvaser wrote: I probably am going to restore it, just thought it looked kind of cool in it's original state.Actually, ORIGINALLY it was new and shiny. I can't think of ANYTHING, fans or otherwise, that ORIGINALLY were rusty...That said, If I had some super-rare pre1900 fan, with original paint still there but mostly gone, I'd have a hard time re-painting it. But any rust, dirt or tarnish would have to go. Just my two cents.

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Update on the fan:
Its in pieces all over my living room (don't know how my mom puts up with this stuff) and I found that Lowes has a nice selection of grommets that work perfectly with this fan. I just bought grommets for the air cone, but I need to go back for the rest of them. I got a couple looks walking through there with all these weird parts (being a Vornado) :wondering:. I might go back later tonight and get the rest of them, then spend all day tomorrow sanding it and painting it. I should have it finished by the end of the week, depending on the weather, as I usually paint outside the garage, then carry the stands inside to dry (so nothing gets in the paint).

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There she is. It came apart fairly easily, aside from the switch, that piece of :censored was completely stuck. It ended up breaking, so I have to go buy a new one. I was planning on replacing it, as it was very loose and kind of corroded. Anyways, i'm going to sand it down tomorrow and start the painting process.


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Ron Shterenvaser wrote: There she is. It came apart fairly easily, aside from the switch, that piece of :censored was completely stuck. It ended up breaking, so I have to go buy a new one. I was planning on replacing it, as it was very loose and kind of corroded. Anyways, i'm going to sand it down tomorrow and start the painting process.







LOL at the VornadoBits all over the floor! Interesting square-core motor inside the round housing.

Glad you decided to renew the paint and prevent any further advancing of the rust.

I'm waiting on motor rewind supplies for my Vornado Fireball Special.  Did get the blade and front emblem refurbished today though!

One bit of advice. Since these don't have any sort of thermal protection, I would recommend that you install an inline fuse in the power circuit to prevent a full and complete uncontained failure if something goes wrong.


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David Allen wrote:[highlight= rgb(248, 248, 248);]

[highlight= rgb(248, 248, 248);]LOL at the VornadoBits all over the floor! Interesting square-core motor inside the round housing.
Glad you decided to renew the paint and prevent any further advancing of the rust.

I'm waiting on motor rewind supplies for my Vornado Fireball Special.  Did get the blade and front emblem refurbished today though!

One bit of advice. Since these don't have any sort of thermal protection, I would recommend that you install an inline fuse in the power circuit to prevent a full and complete uncontained failure if something goes wrong.



That's a good idea, i'm going to try that.

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Ron Shterenvaser wrote: David Allen wrote:[highlight= rgb(248, 248, 248);]



[highlight= rgb(248, 248, 248);]LOL at the VornadoBits all over the floor! Interesting square-core motor inside the round housing.

Glad you decided to renew the paint and prevent any further advancing of the rust.



I'm waiting on motor rewind supplies for my Vornado Fireball Special.  Did get the blade and front emblem refurbished today though!



One bit of advice. Since these don't have any sort of thermal protection, I would recommend that you install an inline fuse in the power circuit to prevent a full and complete uncontained failure if something goes wrong.







That's a good idea, i'm going to try that.




Just pick a fuse that is about 115% the motor's normal current; and is time-delay.

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Well I sanded the rust off and the you can see the original paint underneath actually wasn't in that bad of shape. 


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Ron Shterenvaser wrote: Well I sanded the rust off and the you can see the original paint underneath actually wasn't in that bad of shape. 





That's good to see.  I need to prepare to paint mine but it was a different color. Wonder how many colors were offered? Yours is a green color whereas mine is grey.

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David Allen wrote: That's good to see.  I need to prepare to paint mine but it was a different color. Wonder how many colors were offered? Yours is a green color whereas mine is grey.

I think there is also dark blue, and a pink/coral color. And congrats on getting your motor re-wound. I would imagine it wasn't that difficult because it is only a 2 pole.  

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Ron Shterenvaser wrote: David Allen wrote: That's good to see.  I need to prepare to paint mine but it was a different color. Wonder how many colors were offered? Yours is a green color whereas mine is grey.



I think there is also dark blue, and a pink/coral color. And congrats on getting your motor re-wound. I would imagine it wasn't that difficult because it is only a 2 pole.  


Hi Ron.  I got a medium metallic blue color paint today. It's a car paint color.

As for the motor, it wasn't hard to do just took some planning. Mine was a 4 pole with 4 coils.

If you haven't seen it, look here: https://youtu.be/xjxLlDxgxKg


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Hi Ron.  I got a medium metallic blue color paint today. It's a car paint color. 
As for the motor, it wasn't hard to do just took some planning. Mine was a 4 pole with 4 coils.

If you haven't seen it, look here: https://youtu.be/xjxLlDxgxKg


Yours is grey because its one of the older ones, made pre-1950. Thats probably also why it has 4 poles.

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Ron Shterenvaser wrote: Hi Ron.  I got a medium metallic blue color paint today. It's a car paint color. 

As for the motor, it wasn't hard to do just took some planning. Mine was a 4 pole with 4 coils.



If you haven't seen it, look here: https://youtu.be/xjxLlDxgxKg





Yours is grey because its one of the older ones, made pre-1950. Thats probably also why it has 4 poles.

Say, how's this fan coming along? Just hopeful for an update. :)

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I am currently out of the country until Wednesday, however I did make a lot of progress on paint/rust removal before I left, I just don't have any pictures. Unfortunately there is some pretty bad pitting in the metal of the outer shell, but I bought some auto body bondo to remedy that. Stay tuned for more pictures Wednesday.

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Ron Shterenvaser wrote: I am currently out of the country until Wednesday, however I did make a lot of progress on paint/rust removal before I left, I just don't have any pictures. Unfortunately there is some pretty bad pitting in the metal of the outer shell, but I bought some auto body bondo to remedy that. Stay tuned for more pictures Wednesday.
Hi Ron, that's good you made progress with the stripping.  Often, depending on the severity of the pitting, a high building primer can be used to fill the pits, and then sanded down smooth. It might be easier than bondo!

Understand about work / school / travels getting in the way. I live a sort of dual life with half my time on duty and the other half off duty. Projects get put on hold for months at times!

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So here is the current progress report on the vornado. Most of the stripping is done, but a few of the parts need a little more work. The pitting is visible in some of the pictures.









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Good move. Vornado used weak and thin paint that oftentimes didn't last as well as Emerson's black japan.

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Love this thread; watching the transformation is very enjoyable. Can't wait to see it finished. Great find for short money too!

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Ron Shterenvaser wrote: So here is the current progress report on the vornado. Most of the stripping is done, but a few of the parts need a little more work. The pitting is visible in some of the pictures.





That's looking better with all the old paint off it.  I do think the pitting would fill in nicely with some high build primer sanded down between coats. That or some body spotting putty.  The primer might be easier.


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Take a look, I'm most of the way through the painting process.











Please note* I am not a professional painter by any means, and the paint does have some visible flaws in it. This is not a pristine museum quality restoration, it wasn't intended to be. This is a decent quality everyday use paint job, I will be using this fan alot, and won't be overly upset if the paint gets nicked here and there over time. I also would like to add, I completely gave up on the bondo, it's just too hard to work with.

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Looks pretty darn good to me Ron!

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I'm really happy with the color I chose for the cage. Take a look, it's kind of a dark metallic bronze.




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Ron, you are doing a excellent job with that vornado.  I know you will treasure that thing with all your hard work once complete.  Looking forward to seeing the finished unveiling...   :D

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Hi Ron - yes that cage looks amazing in the metallic bronze. Keep up the good work and can't wait to see the finished project!

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MUCH better than the rust! Good work!

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I took another shot at bondo, and this time it worked well. This is the plastic piece that covers where the arms meet the base.


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Here are a couple more pictures to "oooh" over.




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