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 Posted: Sat Jun 9th, 2018 02:08 pm
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Railroad or Boat?











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Railroad or Boat?  You can be the judge.  :D

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Thanks for a look inside the infamous ball motor Russ!  Great score

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Lucas Beshara wrote: Thanks for a look inside the infamous ball motor Russ!
Jandus(engineer Bernard Stowe) introduced a 12" DC only fan motor for the 01 season. 02 Jandus explodes on to the electrical trade with AC and DC 12", 15", and 16" desk fans. 


The Jandus AC ball motors were offered 02-08 fan motor seasons on desk solid frame.  Jandus 01-08 DC ball motors on solid frame and AB/Jandus 11-20 DC ball motors on desk with wire trunnion. 


The ball motors were virtually the same construction AC or DC with exception of how the motors were wired. AC wired for induction repulsion with 2 speed switch, lower speed gained through the motor.  DC had a 3 speed switch wired in series with medium and low speed gained through resistance wire.


Bernie got Jandus on the map with the gyro introduction in 03.  Jandus must have been more focused on the gyro component manufacture than motor manufacture. Bernie started cheating by wholesale purchase of brushless shaded start GE fan motors for his gyro in 06. By 09 Bernie dumped the brushed AC ball motors for the snap start GE split phase fan motors.   

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If anyone out there has a 30 or 60 volt DC Jandus or AB/Jandus ball fan motor please feel free to post pictures here. 

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Russ Huber asked:Jandus R or B 5677 (?)

And then asked:Railroad or Boat?

Looks like a "B" to me!


Significance of "B" (or "R")
is anyone's guess.



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Jim Kovar wrote: Russ Huber asked:Jandus R or B 5677 (?)

And then asked:Railroad or Boat?

Looks like a "B" to me!


Significance of "B" (or "R")
is anyone's guess.




I know. I was kind of hoping someone else would crawl out of the woodwork with another 60 volt with letter stamping.  Stephen Sander's 60 VDC ball motor C-frame has NO letter stamping.


I have done scans trying to connect Jandus/ABJandus advertising 60 VDC fan motors for other purpose than Rail or Boat. That's a negative.

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Pat Weeks posted ship interior image of past.

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I just strobed the deep pitch blade at roughly 1300 RPM on full current at its rated 60 VDC. The fan is designed for 3 speeds.


 

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Check with Rick Hill, I think I remember reading an article he did on a train museum in California that had a Jandus Fan in the interior of a rail car...

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Michael Rathberger wrote:

Check with Rick Hill, I think I remember reading an article he did on a train museum in California that had a Jandus Fan in the interior of a rail car...


I was hoping someone here had one like this model with its switch.  This fan was designed to be efficient operating at lower RPM with it deep pitched wings. I unfortunately cannot so far find any electrical trade with details of this lower voltage Jandus fan motor. Details such as fan motor speeds at the 3 speed settings.  Mine was missing its switch and thanks to Paul Graves I have a nice reproduction. I told Paul to skip the lower speed resistor addition to the switch. I am going to figure it out.


By reducing the DC voltage to 45 VDC the fan runs with efficient air movement at 1150 RPM.  The fan retains its air movement efficiency at 35 VDC or 850 RPM.  I could even slow it down as low as 650 RPM for a nice bedroom fan. 


There is no doubt in my mind this fan was designed for Railway or Steamship use.   

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Michael Rathberger wrote:

Check with Rick Hill, I think I remember reading an article he did on a train museum in California that had a Jandus Fan in the interior of a rail car...


Rick lives close enough to pitch rocks at this one. They open at 10:00 am, 12:00 noon here. I'll check it out and see if they have it.  Maybe with a stroke of luck they'll send me a snap.  :D


I place bets if they have one it is an AB Jandus.

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Russ to the best of my knowledge steamships were just that, ships powered with steam powering engines, lighting was accomplished with oil lamps and candles in the cabins with navigation lights being made of oil soaked rags burning in iron baskets. I don’t believe that there were any steam powered generators to produce electricity during that time period.

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But Liberty and Victory ships from WWII were steam powered and had fans on board.

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Rick Powell wrote: Russ to the best of my knowledge steamships were just that, ships powered with steam powering engines, lighting was accomplished with oil lamps and candles in the cabins with navigation lights being made of oil soaked rags burning in iron baskets. I don’t believe that there were any steam powered generators to produce electricity during that time period.

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A very special thanks to Mike Petree who machined me a new armature shaft(Dead on the money machining), straightened/aligned my blade WITHOUT DISTURBING OR REMOVING factory rivets or wings. Mike brazed a new nose cone back on her blade hub. Some dumb a$$ drilled a hole through it. :D  Mike also repaired(brazed) a difficult situation fractured guard wire. 

The switch once again is a well done smooth operating reproduction from Paul Graves. 


I am pleased to say despite not being restored the fan runs beautifully with a peak speed at its rated 60 VDC at roughly 1325 RPM.  














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It is a beauty!

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The modified armature shaft Mike Petree machined a replacement for.  You can also see the shaft and bearing components of the removeable armature shaft. You have to remove the shaft out of the armature body in order to remove the armature body and field and field components.





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Thomas Peters wrote: It is a beauty!

Thank you. I plan to eventually do more inside and out. Bernard Stowe the Jandus fan motor engineer on the left.   :D

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Two different round ball motor examples posted in past by Stephen Sanders.

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"The Railway Age" June 1907 page: 1218




https://books.google.com/books?id=GhEwO0dn__AC&pg=PA55&lpg=PA55&dq=1+drawing+room+car,+Jamestown,+built+in+1907&source=bl&ots=rmJ27pST2D&sig=s-0IiaQVnMSnTDYZNTjHz_ZoeXs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicpcbWnYbeAhVC54MKHcXQDSkQ6AEwDnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=1%20drawing%20room%20car%2C%20Jamestown%2C%20built%20in%201907&f=false

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