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 Posted: Tue Oct 9th, 2018 10:52 pm
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David Kilnapp
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Friends:  This fan is currently on EBay for sale. By the look of it, I'm guessing it to be a 1903 GE Pancake. The motor tag looks wrong to me (see below).  The two cracks in the tag suggest to me that maybe this was a tag on another GE that was transferred to this fan. I have this exact fan and my motor tag looks completely different. Is this a legitimate motor tag? I'm not experienced enough to know one way or the other. Perhaps Kim Frank might offer an opinion or perhaps Steve Stephens?


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 Posted: Tue Oct 9th, 2018 11:21 pm
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    The tag is 1905, pretty early into production, which might explain the base not having a thumb screw and a set screw. The blade is from 1903 or earlier. The guard is correct I think. It should have a stiffening ring inside the badge for '04/05 usually, with the pierced rear ring cages. 1904 is the year I start to see lots of wrapped rear ring cages appear also on the fans.
    If it were a 1903, it would be the third variant for that model year. It would have the large brass badge, with a stamped brass hub blade and an eight wire pierced guard most likely. It would also be a type AK and form C. It looks to be a nice fan and the cast hub blade is a plus.

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 Posted: Tue Oct 9th, 2018 11:25 pm
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David Kilnapp
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So then this motor tag is correct? More pictures may be found here:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-GE-Pancake-Motor-12-Electric-Fan-NICE/253920504331?hash=item3b1ed76a0b:g:JS4AAOSwvK1buVL4


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 Posted: Tue Oct 9th, 2018 11:33 pm
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David, do notice that then cage wires have been brazed? to the rear ring.   I don't know how Kim and Ted deal with that but I just don't buy fans with that issue.

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 Posted: Tue Oct 9th, 2018 11:42 pm
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Nice looking fan! Looks like not much work has to be done to it. I'd rather buy a fan that needs a lot of work to it. Good luck with your sell.

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 Posted: Tue Oct 9th, 2018 11:51 pm
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David Kilnapp
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Yes I saw that Steve. If I could get it for the right price (like say $400) I would then just replace the cage with one of Ted's marvelous reproductions. That cracked motor tag really puts me off though. But if Kim says it's legit, I would have to rely on his extensive knowledge of GE Pancakes. I wonder if one could have the tag reproduced?
Vic:  I am not the seller. I was simply looking at the fan on EBay. You are right about it not needing too much work! Looks to be in great shape apart from the cracked tag and the brazed cage bars as Steve pointed out.

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 Posted: Wed Oct 10th, 2018 12:08 am
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David Kilnapp wrote: I wonder if one could have the tag reproduced?Yes, it can be expertly reproduced by Donald Coleman if he is still making the new tags.  His work is just about perfect.  He reproduced a tag from my 1909 Eck DC fan for someone else and made it BETTER (more readable) then the original.
My original tag-



Donald's first try resulted in an incorrect date of 1898.   Can you read my original tag's date?  No, probably not and neither can I.  I think we checked the patent office for the actual date which is 1899.



So here is Don's final version, correct in details but, actually "too nice and perfect".  Great job!






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 Posted: Wed Oct 10th, 2018 12:24 am
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Wow, what expert craftsmanship! The cost of a new tag combined with a new cage would make the price that I would be willing to pay too low to attract this seller. What a pity! Nice fan!

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 Posted: Wed Oct 10th, 2018 12:16 pm
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The Ebay fan can be looked at two ways. As a complete fan it has a couple of issues, but nothing that can't be fixed. I wouldn't replace the guard, rather undo the repairs and repin it to the rear ring. Motor tag is no big deal, Chad has a bunch, just need to find a serial number in the '05 range. Asking price isn't bad.





Now, look at it in this light.....tear it apart and add up the sum of the parts....Blade $125, cage $75, oil return $25, oil reservoir $50, wing bolts $50, stator and rotor $125, rear terminals and insulators $50, switch with knob and pointer $200, choke coil $50, coil holder $20, terminal block with terminals and insulators $60, cast iron $75..do the math.





Then I'm really surprised that no one has jumped all over this example.





http://www.afcaforum.com/forum2/52838.html





Ron Jeter has had this fan for sale for over a week. It's complete and has been gone over by the Jeternator himself. Add the provenance that it came from the American Pickers store and I'd say you won't find a nicer example in original condition for what Ron is asking.....





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 Posted: Wed Oct 10th, 2018 09:46 pm
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I hear what you are saying Kim but the price of the repairs (cleaning up the messy pin brazing and replacing the motor tag) should be subtracted from your $905 total and that's the right price for this cake. If the repairs come in for $115 or less, then this fan is priced correctly. I don't know what Chad charges for tags and I don't know what it would cost to clean up and repin the cage.

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 Posted: Wed Oct 10th, 2018 11:20 pm
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I bought a gorgeous restored 1900 Pancake a while back for $850...

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 Posted: Thu Oct 11th, 2018 12:16 pm
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The repair on the cage would take about two hours of shop time and no materials, and Chad has a tag 214xxx for $45.00 that would work for that fan. If you haven't already, both of you should attend a Fan Fair or fan meet. The best place to buy fans is from other collectors. I picked up a pair of 12 inch Pancakes, a 1904 and a 1905, for under $900 in Asheville. Both were in very good condition except they both had 10 wire guards on them, which wasn't a deal breaker. The 1904 now resides in my collection with the correct cage on it and the 1905.....well, it has a different perspective but is in my collection as well...

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 Posted: Thu Oct 11th, 2018 05:39 pm
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David Kilnapp
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Thanks Kim. I remember seeing the pictures of the double sided pancake. I do plan on attending a fan fair or meet at some point if for no other reason than to meet some of the fine folks whom I now call friends! The two pancakes I have were both purchased from AFCA members so I concur with your suggestion.

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 Posted: Thu Oct 11th, 2018 10:02 pm
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Next year, Fan Fair is in Indianapolis on July 17th thru the 20th. It's the premier event of the year and you'll get to meet a lot of collectors from all over the U.S., and maybe even further if Jim Dunn decides to show up. He lives in Australia, so Massachusetts really isn't that far away from Indy.....

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 Posted: Thu Oct 11th, 2018 11:21 pm
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Sounds like a good idea Kim. Will you be there?

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 Posted: Fri Oct 12th, 2018 12:09 pm
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Yes, I am planning on it...

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