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 Posted: Fri May 17th, 2019 11:36 pm
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Nathan Britt
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While in Mississippi I found this Emerson 45641 Longnose, and I was able to haul it home for $80. I have restored several desk fans, but as this is my first ceiling fan, I will need plenty of guidance. All four irons and the brass canopy are intact, and the stator coils look good.







My first question: Does anyone know where I can find the correct type of wood for the blades? All I can seem to find is plywood.

#2: I suspect the switch is missing some parts as the brass terminals are exposed. can anyone tell me what I'm missing and where to find the parts?

#3: The porcelain hanger Is cracked and will have to be removed. I have heard that electric fence insulators work well for this purpose. My problem is this: the rod that holds the insulator is hammered on both sides, and I don't have a clue how to remove it.






Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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 Posted: Sat May 18th, 2019 12:58 pm
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I just finished a very minor restoration on a longnose, but I need to tear it down again to shim the bearing stack better as it starts slow and makes a little noise.
You are missing the cover plate for the switch it seems. It would still work if nothing else is broken. 

Also, what is your tooling like? I would grind the peen from the rod and tap it out, replace the insulator and repeen the edges with a hammer once you are complete. 

Let me know if you want any pictures

Edit: check with a woodworking store or lumber mill for correct wood type (basswood originally) I think most guys are replacing with a "nicer" wood if they require replacement. 

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 Posted: Sat May 18th, 2019 04:00 pm
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Those blades were made of Basswood, Gumwood, or Poplar. Member Jon Andrews has a guy who does wonderful reproductions.

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 Posted: Sat May 18th, 2019 04:55 pm
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Thanks for all the feedback! Since I don't have a grinder I used a file and was able to pound out the pin. Does it matter whether the new insulator is plastic or ceramic? Also does anyone know if home Depot carries the correct wood?

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 Posted: Mon May 20th, 2019 09:52 am
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Home Depot has poplar, at least they used to.

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 Posted: Mon May 20th, 2019 10:14 pm
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Nathan Britt
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Ok. I'll see what they have.

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 Posted: Mon May 20th, 2019 10:17 pm
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I can tell that this was one of the very first years of Longnoses. The bottom plate doesn't have the two concentric rings on either side of the seven screws, it's just flat. I believe this would also have a solid speed coil cover rather than a vented one.

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 Posted: Tue May 21st, 2019 12:20 am
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Nathan Britt
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Derek Warnecke wrote: I can tell that this was one of the very first years of Longnoses. The bottom plate doesn't have the two concentric rings on either side of the seven screws, it's just flat. I believe this would also have a solid speed coil cover rather than a vented one.Do you happen to know when Emerson started producing this model?

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 Posted: Tue May 21st, 2019 02:45 pm
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Derek Warnecke
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I don't have an exact year, but I believe 1918 or 1919 was the first year of the Longnose.  I've seen them made as late as 1935, which was also the first year of the Roundnose.

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 Posted: Wed May 22nd, 2019 07:44 pm
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Thanks Derek! has anyone had any luck with electric fence insulators for a hanger?

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 Posted: Sat Jun 29th, 2019 10:22 pm
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Nathan Britt
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Does anyone know what sae oil to use?

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 Posted: Sat Jun 29th, 2019 10:52 pm
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I have used 20 wt non-detergent oil for years.
Just about any place which sells electric fences will have an insulator. Tractor Supply, local feed store, etc

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 Posted: Sun Jun 30th, 2019 02:44 am
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Thanks Stan! After searching several hardware stores I found the insulators at a feed and seed shack.

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 Posted: Thu Jul 4th, 2019 02:25 pm
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Update: The fan is mostly finished and installed with new Walnut blades and a rewound stator and choke. 
 My problem is this: I oiled the fan with sae 20 3in1 electric motor oil untill the ball bearings were covered with oil. When I turned the fan on it pumped oil from the lower reservoir to the top reservoir untill it overflowed and dripped oil everywhere. Then it started rattling and grinding because the lower reservoir was too empty. Please help!

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 Posted: Thu Jul 4th, 2019 02:45 pm
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Check the oil return hole in the rotor, it may be clogged.

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 Posted: Thu Jul 4th, 2019 03:06 pm
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It doesn't have an oil return hole. Could it be that the oil is too thick?

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  If no oil return then it is an early longnose.The earlier fernleaf models had no oil return either. Phil Frey used to drill an oil return into the rotor of the fernleaf fans that he restored & sold commercially. If oil is dripping out of the switch , there is a lead washer that seals the nose/oil cup against the housing to keep oil out of the center shaft passage for the wiring. Missing that seal can lead eventually to a messy oil stain on the floor under the fan, and a gooey switch. Info provided from the old school of hard knocks

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 Posted: Thu Jul 4th, 2019 07:19 pm
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Nathan Britt
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The oil leaks over the edge of the top reservoir and out of the vent holes. There must be some way for the oil to drain back down to the lower reservoir without a drain hole.

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 I've seen the rotor bearing surface scored before in both directions , a rectangular sort of configuration such that one set of grooves drove the oil upward while the other set picked it up and drove it back down to the oil bath. any such configuration inside the bearing shaft of that rotor ??

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 Posted: Thu Jul 4th, 2019 07:55 pm
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There is only one set of grooves which carries the oil upwards. Also, there is not enough casting for a return hole to be drilled. Do you think a thinner oil would drain better?

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