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 Posted: Mon Nov 25th, 2019 03:50 pm
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Kim Frank
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Just a heads up to any of the membership about the 1903 12 inch GE stick mount that is currently on Ebay with a pretty high bid. This fan is the 1st variant type AB form C. It will have four struts, a ten wire pierced cage, and a cast brass blade hub. While the fan on Ebay looks correct, it has an 8 wire cage, a stamped brass blade hub, and is missing the bottom strut. This strut is different from the other three. Replacing the incorrect parts will be an addition expense in the neighborhood of $500-600.....I know a lot of the newer members are big on the Pancakes, so know what you're bidding on and don't get a big surprise at the end. Here is the 1st variant 12 inch GE trunnion with the correct blade and cage....



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 Posted: Mon Nov 25th, 2019 04:14 pm
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Yes also wrong guard on the Emerson 1500

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 Posted: Mon Nov 25th, 2019 04:37 pm
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I’m amazed at the amount of $$ that Pancakes are commanding on eBay particularly those that are missing cages, blades and struts. And how about the fans with missing motor tags? That’s an automatic no go for me.

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 Posted: Mon Nov 25th, 2019 04:56 pm
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Thanks for the heads up, Kim. I don’t know enough about the pancakes to even venture a bid on eBay. If I get one, it’ll be from the folks on this forum.

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 Posted: Mon Nov 25th, 2019 05:22 pm
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When I saw my first Pancake here, I had to have one. I have bought several "fixer-uppers" since. There is a LOT to know when it comes to Pancakes; Kim and possibly Steve Stephens are the most knowledgeable guys here I'd venture. And even they admit they don't know it all...

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 Posted: Mon Nov 25th, 2019 05:27 pm
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Todd Adornato wrote: Thanks for the heads up, Kim. I don’t know enough about the pancakes to even venture a bid on eBay. If I get one, it’ll be from the folks on this forum.You can learn Todd:

http://earlyfans.blogspot.com/2011/02/ge-pancake-1894-1908.html

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 Posted: Mon Nov 25th, 2019 05:45 pm
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Steve Stephens wrote: Todd Adornato wrote: Thanks for the heads up, Kim. I don’t know enough about the pancakes to even venture a bid on eBay. If I get one, it’ll be from the folks on this forum.You can learn Todd:

http://earlyfans.blogspot.com/2011/02/ge-pancake-1894-1908.html

Steve, that page and your page on early Emersons are my go-to reference :D   The latter helps with my quest to acquire an example of each of the six-bladed Emerson oscillators other than the earliest (read $$$) versions.  The 16666 is the one I’m looking for now, and it’ll probably be the furthest back I go.  Your page allowed me to figure out which was what. 

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 Posted: Mon Nov 25th, 2019 08:32 pm
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Thanks Kim!

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 Posted: Mon Nov 25th, 2019 09:23 pm
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Not all Emerson 1500’s has rings around the blades on the badge. The 1500s did. But as they phased to the 11644, the rings went away. Also, if you broke your cage and ordered a replacement, you got a badge with no rings.

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 Posted: Mon Nov 25th, 2019 10:42 pm
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Kim Frank wrote: While the fan on Ebay looks correct, it has an 8 wire cage, a stamped brass blade hub, and is missing the bottom strut. This strut is different from the other three. Replacing the incorrect parts will be an addition expense in the neighborhood of $500-600.....I know a lot of the newer members are big on the Pancakes, so know what you're bidding on and don't get a big surprise at the end. 

An anonymous Ebayer (was it you Kim??) sent us a message last night about this.  

We immediately alerted all the current bidders as to the possible issue.  This AM I was able to use the AFCA forum pages to validate the information, e.g. 

http://www.afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=50356&forum_id=1&highlight=Type+AB+Form+C

and also double-checked with an expert AFCA member.  

We posted a correction to the Ebay listing this AM as soon as I could get free of work duties.   I will include that for completeness in next post.

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Curt, I didn't message you thru Ebay. This wasn't intended as a disparaging message about your fan to the members. More so that they could make an informed decision about bidding. While it isn't correct as it is, it is still a very desireable fan. Good luck on the auction.

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 Posted: Mon Nov 25th, 2019 10:50 pm
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As per my post above, here is the update for the Ebay listing we posted this AM.

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***CORRECTION***:  After the listing went live yesterday we received information from an unknown Ebay user indicating that the blade and cage were NOT correct for this fan.  At that time we notified all current bidders about this issue and indicated we would look into it to confirm or deny the new information.  We have now checked with one expert and confirmed that the current cage and blade are from later model GE fans even though they are visually similar to the correct / original blades and cage.  So please note the following:

1) The current cage and hub assembly are antique GE parts but are not original to this fan.
2) The current cage is missing a fourth strut that should attach at the bottom of the motor.
3) The original cage should have 10 "S" shaped wires while the current cage has 8 "S" shaped wires.
4) The original should have a cast brass hub assembly on the back of the blades and while the current hub assembly is stamped brass.  This difference is not visible from the front side view of the fan.
5) The GE badge from the original cage should be attached with a nut in the back and the current GE badge does not have the attaching nut.  This is difference is not visible from the front side view of the fan.

We encourage current and potential bidders to go online to the AFCA forum pages and search for "Type AB Form C" to view examples of this fan with the original parts.  There is also an example on the Antique Fan Parts website. 

Given that: a) it would be difficult to acquire the correct original parts for this fan, b) the current non-original parts are antique GE parts with nice patina that are similar to the original parts, and c) the 10 vs. 8 "S" wires on the cage is the only difference from the front-side view of the fan, we have decided to continue the auction for this fan.  PLEASE BID ACCORDINGLY WITH THIS NEW INFORMATION. 

Also we wish to thank the anonymous Ebay user who pointed this out and our expert who helped us quickly confirm the points raised by the Ebay user.



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 Posted: Mon Nov 25th, 2019 10:58 pm
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Kim Frank wrote: Curt, I didn't message you thru Ebay. This wasn't intended as a disparaging message about your fan to the members. More so that they could make an informed decision about bidding. While it isn't correct as it is, it is still a very desireable fan. Good luck on the auction.
I absolutely did NOT interpret your message as disparaging the fan.

It was very well written and informative.  

We have strived to describe my dad's fans to the best of our limited ability. But we know that we are going to make mistakes.

I have received A LOT of help from many AFCA members (including you!) and am very appreciative of this.

So we are 100% GOOD.   :up: 

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 Posted: Tue Nov 26th, 2019 01:12 pm
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This fan is the first of the three variants offered in 1903. It has the four strut motor with full ribbed base. The rear motor cover has the indentions around the four acorn nuts. This is the fan that most collectors wanting a Pancake will look for. The second variant is a motor housing recast to three struts while still featuring a fully ribbed base. The third variant is a change to a half ribbed base. This is where one will start to see the appearance of the stamped brass hub blade and the eight wire pierced rear ring cage. The appearance of the wrapped drop ring cage starts to appear in 1904 models on around 25% of the models listed in the GE cake survey. 

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 Posted: Tue Nov 26th, 2019 06:46 pm
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Upon further reflection we have, regretfully, decided to cancel this Ebay auction.

The correction I posted to the Ebay listing yesterday is appended at the very bottom of our description.  Consequently, we feel that many potential bidders may not see this, especially those that have been following our auctions and have seen all the generic words in our listing template many times.

Further, at this time, we do NOT plan to relist this fan in the remaining JLD auctions this year.  We have only sorted through about half of my dad's inventory of miscellaneous fans, parts, blades, cages, motors, etc.  

So when we have time to sort through the rest of his inventory, we think there is some reasonable chance that we might find the correct cage and blade assembly for this fan.  Given that this GE pancake model is a desirable fan, we think it is best to wait and see if we can find the right parts before we try to sell it again.

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 Posted: Tue Nov 26th, 2019 06:52 pm
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Talk to Chad Baker at antiquefanparts.com, he may have what you need. If not, post a wanted ad here, you may even be able to work a trade. I may even have what you need, I'd have to check.

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 Posted: Tue Nov 26th, 2019 10:49 pm
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Curt. I have I to commend you on how professional you have been in running this auction. I wish everyone was as thorough and honest as you have been. My best on the remainder of your items.

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 Posted: Tue Nov 26th, 2019 10:50 pm
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What James said!

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 Posted: Wed Nov 27th, 2019 01:52 am
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We (my brother and I) appreciate the kind words A LOT!  So many thanks.

We grew up around estate sales, auctions, and flea markets.  So we know this business, but of course our knowledge of fans is lacking (but getting better every day!).

It has been a struggle to keep up the pace, and in rushing we are not as thorough as we would like to be. And selling my dad's fans on Ebay/Fleabay was not our first choice. 

But we are trying our best and appreciate the support and encouragement that we have received from a variety of AFCA members.

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