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 Posted: Sun Dec 1st, 2019 11:53 pm
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Mark Olson
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I wrote Rustoleum a complaint about their products. Once upon a time, I had very good success with their shake shake cans, but this time it has turned an otherwise regular fan paint job into a nightmare. The stuff doesn't really qualify as paint, just some sort of colored gunk that never hardens, wrinkles if clear coated, wrinkles if baked, if a gnat lands on it, it can not be repaired, no sanding out and respraying, I mean this crap is truly crap.


Thanks for allowing me to vent.

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Richard Daugird
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Was this only one can? I have had great success with Rustoleum Professional on a lot of projects, as recent as last week, and not just on fans. Maybe you got a bad batch?

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I've been using the Rustoleum "Advanced" formula recently and am impressed with the results. Goes on smoother than regular Rustoleum.
I don't fool with baking(it was always a hit or miss for me with other things), so I give one-two weeks at 70F+ to harden before handling the parts. Then wait six weeks before trying to sand and polish imperfections.
Rattle can painting is 20% skill and 80% patience. :)

Now, if you want quick turnaround, but don't mind a less "deep" and "fine" finish, then the Krylon Fusion Paint+Primer in One is great. Sand to bare metal, clean with strong solvent, and spray as directed. I did an entire fan resto in one evening using the black Fusion paint and quick dry miracle brand appliance epoxy paint.

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I will second Alex's opinion on the advanced formula.
Just did this 1902 'cake using the advanced formula gloss black.
I think it came out pretty good.
I have good success baking the paint using a homemade paint box and a space heater.
I have a squirrel cage fan connected with dryer hose to the back of the box pulling the fumes out and venting outside my shop, and a small space heater blowing in the front of the box.
This gets the box up to about 120 degrees F.
I let the painted parts bake for 24 hours.
They come out almost perfect, and I can handle them for reassembly without leaving my finger prints in 'em.




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That cake did turn out nicely, Joel!
Here is another fan done in the same Gloss Advanced Formula. Similar results to Joel's cake.

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I've had bad luck with some appliance epoxy. I emailed them and they sent me 6 more cans for free.. Which is nice but at the same time I'm not sure if I want to use it again. 

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I’ve had great success with Rustoleum paint. I did this R&M 2110 in their gloss-Black “high-performance enamel,” and it turned out really good I think. I actually used the same paint to restore the badge and motor tag too.

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I'm not sure which product you used. The original Rustoleum is a fish oil based enamel which takes a pretty long time to dry. It's really best used as metal protectant rather than decorative coating. That is if you've got the time to mess with it. It's a good option when you don't have a booth, compressor and gun.
Folks here have graduated mostly to their appliance epoxy and tend to really like it.
When it comes to enamels, I prefer the old fashion type, like One Shot lettering enamels. They can be had for little money at the auto paint shop.
You use an airbrush to apply it, so you only need one of the tiny compressors. And it can be oven baked, or rather should be, then it can be polished to look very professional.
These days, I don't have an oven to use, so I've been spraying mostly automotive paints. I should get a small apartment sized oven for the garage....
Automotive paints cost an arm and a leg....
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Thanks for the feedback everyone, I tried Rustoleum because it came in a color very close to what my daughter wanted to match her decor. I thought it would save time and money, boy was I wrong. I should have gone down to the automobile paint store, had the color mixed, purchased the primer and sprayed it with my pop gun. Then the whole ordeal would be over. As it stands, it doesn't look like she will be getting this fan for Christmas. Maybe for her birthday...

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Mark Olson wrote: I wrote Rustoleum a complaint about their products. Once upon a time, I had very good success with their shake shake cans, but this time it has turned an otherwise regular fan paint job into a nightmare. The stuff doesn't really qualify as paint, just some sort of colored gunk that never hardens, wrinkles if clear coated, wrinkles if baked, if a gnat lands on it, it can not be repaired, no sanding out and respraying, I mean this crap is truly crap.


Thanks for allowing me to vent.


I love it when venting takes place.   I've written a 3 page venting letter to my service department concerning recent repairs to my Ford Transit Cargo Van.  Mailing tomorrow.   I know nothing about Rustoleum, other than some 20 years ago I was in an investment club and a member came one night with research and a plug for the product and the stock.  I remember it is a gigantic company and their paint is used to paint the bottoms of ocean going ships.   We bought the stock, but I don't remember if we made any money.  

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John Trier wrote: Mark Olson wrote: I wrote Rustoleum a complaint about their products. Once upon a time, I had very good success with their shake shake cans, but this time it has turned an otherwise regular fan paint job into a nightmare. The stuff doesn't really qualify as paint, just some sort of colored gunk that never hardens, wrinkles if clear coated, wrinkles if baked, if a gnat lands on it, it can not be repaired, no sanding out and respraying, I mean this crap is truly crap.


Thanks for allowing me to vent.


I love it when venting takes place.   I've written a 3 page venting letter to my service department concerning recent repairs to my Ford Transit Cargo Van.  Mailing tomorrow.   I know nothing about Rustoleum, other than some 20 years ago I was in an investment club and a member came one night with research and a plug for the product and the stock.  I remember it is a gigantic company and their paint is used to paint the bottoms of ocean going ships.   We bought the stock, but I don't remember if we made any money.  

Hi John!

Did you see the new Ford pick-ups will now seat 8 people! That's right, 8 people!! Ford has found that when their trucks are broken down on the side of the road it is much easier to push them with 8 people instead of 6! And when they break down in the winter Ford has the new heated tail gate option for when it's cold it keeps your hands warm while you are pushing it! Ford thinks of everything! 😛😜

Geo...:bow:bigfan

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George Durbin wrote: John Trier wrote: Mark Olson wrote: I wrote Rustoleum a complaint about their products. Once upon a time, I had very good success with their shake shake cans, but this time it has turned an otherwise regular fan paint job into a nightmare. The stuff doesn't really qualify as paint, just some sort of colored gunk that never hardens, wrinkles if clear coated, wrinkles if baked, if a gnat lands on it, it can not be repaired, no sanding out and respraying, I mean this crap is truly crap.


Thanks for allowing me to vent.


I love it when venting takes place.   I've written a 3 page venting letter to my service department concerning recent repairs to my Ford Transit Cargo Van.  Mailing tomorrow.   I know nothing about Rustoleum, other than some 20 years ago I was in an investment club and a member came one night with research and a plug for the product and the stock.  I remember it is a gigantic company and their paint is used to paint the bottoms of ocean going ships.   We bought the stock, but I don't remember if we made any money.  

Hi John!

Did you see the new Ford pick-ups will now seat 8 people! That's right, 8 people!! Ford has found that when their trucks are broken down on the side of the road it is much easier to push them with 8 people instead of 6! And when they break down in the winter Ford has the new heated tail gate option for when it's cold it keeps your hands warm while you are pushing it! Ford thinks of everything! 😛😜

Geo...:bow:bigfan  Am I naive about Fords?  This Transit is my first Ford.  My brakes went metal to metal after 60,000 miles, and the service guy said that’s pretty good, we usually see this happen after 30,000 miles. Really? $1000 and I'm out the door.  The very next day on the entrance ramp, warning lights come on and van won't go. ”car needs immediate transmission service”. Van finally goes and then it won’t start, etc.  I take it in again, and they say it’s a bad mother board and the estimate is $1400 if all goes well. $2100 later it's ready to pick up. I asked the guy, hey this is just barely out of warranty, I shouldn’t have to pay for something like this.  The guy said, “Well, these electrical boards are exposed to all the salt and brine of Iowa highways”.  "Really, you've got to be kidding"!!!  

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John Trier wrote: George Durbin wrote: John Trier wrote: Mark Olson wrote: I wrote Rustoleum a complaint about their products. Once upon a time, I had very good success with their shake shake cans, but this time it has turned an otherwise regular fan paint job into a nightmare. The stuff doesn't really qualify as paint, just some sort of colored gunk that never hardens, wrinkles if clear coated, wrinkles if baked, if a gnat lands on it, it can not be repaired, no sanding out and respraying, I mean this crap is truly crap.


Thanks for allowing me to vent.


I love it when venting takes place.   I've written a 3 page venting letter to my service department concerning recent repairs to my Ford Transit Cargo Van.  Mailing tomorrow.   I know nothing about Rustoleum, other than some 20 years ago I was in an investment club and a member came one night with research and a plug for the product and the stock.  I remember it is a gigantic company and their paint is used to paint the bottoms of ocean going ships.   We bought the stock, but I don't remember if we made any money.  

Hi John!

Did you see the new Ford pick-ups will now seat 8 people! That's right, 8 people!! Ford has found that when their trucks are broken down on the side of the road it is much easier to push them with 8 people instead of 6! And when they break down in the winter Ford has the new heated tail gate option for when it's cold it keeps your hands warm while you are pushing it! Ford thinks of everything! 😛😜

Geo...:bow:bigfan  Am I naive about Fords?  This Transit is my first Ford.  My brakes went metal to metal after 60,000 miles, and the service guy said that’s pretty good, we usually see this happen after 30,000 miles. Really? $1000 and I'm out the door.  The very next day on the entrance ramp, warning lights come on and van won't go. ”car needs immediate transmission service”. Van finally goes and then it won’t start, etc.  I take it in again, and they say it’s a bad mother board and the estimate is $1400 if all goes well. $2100 later it's ready to pick up. I asked the guy, hey this is just barely out of warranty, I shouldn’t have to pay for something like this.  The guy said, “Well, these electrical boards are exposed to all the salt and brine of Iowa highways”.  "Really, you've got to be kidding"!!!  


Wow!

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Motoring Research's list of top ten most reliable brands sorted by non-affiliated survey results.


We tend to either, only keep the issues with what we currently have at the forefront of our memory, or base our preferences off of brand loyalty/fandom. I personally do not see any point in brand loyalty, but if it helps certain personality types feel more comfortable, then that is cool. Though, to be honest, the more we shrink our horizon towards anything, the less we will know about things outside of it.
As far as subjective experience is concerned, it only serves reliably if we can remember everything that happened to everything we ever owned, without using a manufacturer as a basis of severity.


Point being, like cars, spray paint can only be reliably judged by a large swath of examples being objectively compared. Then price, availability, and selection of colors can be factored in to adjust the data accordingly. 

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More from the "Advanced Formula" Rustoleum Gloss Spray paint. I hate spraying colors, because black is easy to hide flaws in. haha), but the Advanced formula did quite well. It was also 50F in my shop(40F outside) when I sprayed it. Gonna take ages to cure during the winter.  :hammer:









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Are all their paints going to “advanced formula”?  I’ll have to look for it when I go to the Depot for paint.  It looks nice and smooth.  

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Lane - I think Rustoleum has two different products :
"regular formula" is the same old spray can paint with a push button spray head
The Advanced formula can has a pistol trigger style grip that supposedly allows more precise control of the spray pattern and it has a different spray orifice than the standard.
I have noticed that the advanced formula cans I get at home depot have a tenancy to spatter the paint when I let go of the spray trigger. So when I paint with them I make sure I go PAST the object I'm painting before I let go of the trigger.
I seem to get very good results with them.
My home made paint box and heater/venting set up works great too. It allows me to handle my painted parts without fear of marring or tacky fingerprints during re-assembly.

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Rustoleum has a few different varieties. One is the basic one we all know and loath a bit. Then there is the Advanced formula, which has the same spray nozzle as the regular Rustoleum. The Advanced works well, because it is formulated to give a rust-inhibiting, yet smooth, gloss finish that can hold up to the elements.  It isn't advertisedd as a primer+paint in one, but is Superior to their "Universal" paint+primer that uses the trigger spray setup and special nozzle, because it is made for outdoor metal furniture. I have used it on rusty chairs in the yard, without any prep except washing, and it is quite good, even sprayed on rusted spots. And the rust seems to just stop after applying it.
Of course these are all subjective experiences and mileage may vary. I do however, make sure to vigorously shake the advanced formula cans for three minutes and shake upside down and right side up, alternating to make sure the chemicals mix thoroughly. First time it is sprayed without great mixing, it'll stop up and be useless. 

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Lane Shirey wrote: Are all their paints going to “advanced formula”?  I’ll have to look for it when I go to the Depot for paint.  It looks nice and smooth.  I don't think all their paints are. The advanced is harder to find and has less color selection. But, if this tells anything about how good it is, that red paint was sprayed in a 50F temperature in my workshop. It is even smoother on a hot summer day(like the AOU AD1 I posted earlier).

Edit: It is going to be in the mid 60sF today, so I may take the red painted parts out to soak up some sun rays and cure a little faster. Would love to have the Fire Engine fan done before the end of my week off. 


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I might suggest an alternative. It's not cheap, however.
My local paint shop has clear coat in a spray can. It's two part polyurethane. The bottom of the can has a unique device which holds the activator. The press the button, shake the can, and then spray. It's a professional grade clear coat. That means you can cut it back and polish like the pro's around here and it has the glossiest glass smooth finish.
I think they charge about 40$. It's a one use thing. Once it's activated, you have a pot life of a few hours at best.
So, it might be wise to do two or three fans at the same time.
It's something I would do if I didn't have access to a compressor.
I should add that it's pretty non reactive to most paints. I've only shot over shop basecoats, lacquers and well cured enamels. No idea how it would react to epoxy, or Rustoleum products in general.
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