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| Posted: Fri Oct 8th, 2021 03:33 am |
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Jan Hendriks AFCA Member 
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Hi all, Nichrome wire , many years ago on here ,think  i saw a post on Insulated Nichrome wire ?? Reason i ask , from time to time i go thru the process of winding N wire around a circular core , never easy as the wire is very springy ....If i go smaller diametre wire , the more turns i have to make to get the resistance i need .. ONE mistake and its back to square one ....if the wire was insulated , hey would make life so much easier for me ... any help ...thanks I have a rare fan  32 volts ...have made a complete switch assembly , after a member here sent me pics etc of a original one ..rare yes ,there are two of them ...with in the afca ..Mine is missing a switch ..so My first switch made from scratch... The 4 little nuts i bought...rest i done on a little lathe and a home made attachment to Slit the tops of the bolts .8 mm slot ...so much fun making this ..  A fine fan friend supplied the white electricains "fuse board" that gave me just enough to cut out ..board had a lot of pre..holes ..    3 speed ...  Can see why the need for a Nichrome wound resistor ... while im here ... This fan has a Unique lubrication system .. A small brass ring, spins from contact with the armature shaft , spinning thru the oil in the cover cover below ..red arrow is wher oil filler location ..green arrow drain plug  in my hand..all brass cast and machined ...one piece  Once the cover is attached , the bolt used passes thru the lower part of the brass ring ..as a sort of keeper  The fan awaiting a speed coil ..  Well , hoping someone can help on the wire ..and hope you enjoyed the lube..system . Cheers from down here have a great day  jan
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| Posted: Fri Oct 8th, 2021 03:50 am |
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Thomas Peters AFCA Member
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Exquisite work! That oiling system reminds me a bit of automotive type before full pressure types. You do find interesting fans!
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| Posted: Fri Oct 8th, 2021 06:50 am |
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Levi Mevis AFCA Member 
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Thomas Peters wrote: Exquisite work! Its also very similar to the oiling system used on the old Century Skeletal motors from the 1910s... I didn't realize the Brits and Aussies used 32v DC electrical systems, I thought the 32v Delco Generators were strictly an American Innovation... 
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21st, 2021 09:19 pm |
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Steve Cunningham Administrator 
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I used to buy wire from Pelican Wire. They have all alloys, insulated, and gauges. I assume they’re still in business.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 22nd, 2021 01:14 am |
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Jan Hendriks AFCA Member
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Hi Steve , thanks mate ..did receive some help ..info thru messages Thomas ,. yeah like em odd.. This ones got me beat ?.....BGS Solid, well built..very similar to a Dr Max ...bolts , blade to cast hub attachment front and rear covers have location pins ...big open vents ...not a max but a good copy ? Made in a German speaking country ... Very odd strut location Badge below  struts  big vents  finished in RP japan with new wings, brush holders & caps etc ..  sits nicerly ..but if only ..had a cage has any body seen this model ? no prob making a cage ..just need to know what ?? Thanks too ....will miss this old site , been apart of my day for a very long time .. cheers jan  Last edited on Fri Oct 22nd, 2021 04:19 am by Jan Hendriks |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 22nd, 2021 02:41 pm |
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Steve Rockwell AFCA Member 
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This ones got me beat ?.....BGS I tried "BSG" imagining the large "G" to be gesellschaft, which led........ nowhere... excepting British Standard Gauge wire.....
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| Posted: Sat Oct 23rd, 2021 12:47 am |
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Jan Hendriks AFCA Member
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Hi Steve , Received this reply a while back from Pete Moulds BGS or BSG ? I have a few ideas on your BGS fan and I think you are right it is likely German in origin or just possibly from a German speaking country. The design of the label with the plain brass oblongs being stamped with numbers is very like AEG. AEG named their fan models as follows; either G for Gleichstrom for direct current or W for Wechsel-oder Drechstrom or alternating current The second letter seems to be a model number (B in this case and yours too) with the early massive AEGs designed by Peter Behrens. The number 30 following is the diameter of the cage in cm or 10s of cm in the above case.. I suspect that part of the problem chasing down the name is because the name was BSG. The G being for Gesellschaft or Company in German? ..
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| Posted: Sat Nov 6th, 2021 12:51 am |
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Jan Hendriks AFCA Member
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Tony ...offered to have a go at wrapping some N wire ..using Nomex thread 700 F temp .. wire was layed out to find right length for a med ,low etc..then easerly wrapped around a insulated tube  a job i used to hate !! The roll as sent and got here very fast .. Insulated and a few more turns on out side running as it was ment to be ...   Tony , exellent job my friend , Can see many uses for this in ..my future eh cheers jan  
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| Posted: Sat Nov 6th, 2021 01:23 am |
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Dave McManaman AFCA Member 
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Excellent collaboration!
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| Posted: Sat Nov 6th, 2021 01:43 am |
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Tony Clayton Guest 
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Jan, Thanks for giving this porotype a go! I'm very pleased to have been able to help you out with your projects. Looking forward to working with you on many more. Tony
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| Posted: Sat Nov 6th, 2021 01:48 am |
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Tony Clayton Guest
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Here are a couple magnified images of the Nichrome. I did this like the old stuff was made with a wrap vs a braid.  
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| Posted: Sat Nov 6th, 2021 10:01 pm |
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Anthony Lindsey AFCA Member 
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Jan, Here is an AEG fan I believe and the type starts with G but it is Alt. Current not DC. Not sure this helps but just additional info.  
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| Posted: Sat Nov 6th, 2021 10:10 pm |
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Anthony Lindsey AFCA Member
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Motoe Looks very similar to this Azaria german fan.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 8th, 2021 03:28 am |
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Jan Hendriks AFCA Member
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Anthony Lindsey wrote: Motoe Looks very similar to this Azaria german fan. Hi Anthony yes very much same same ..Azaria used the double ring pieced cage as Dr Max Levy Just happen to have one hanging on the wall ..think will suit the fan fine .. thanks jan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17th, 2021 12:27 am |
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Jan Hendriks AFCA Member
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Reporting back on Tony's wire multiple runs over the last week , decide is time to empty oil tanks and check visually .. no sign of any "disruption" or shorts in wire .. mate i recon you nailed this .sorry bit blurry ..but is as i wrapped it  A rare fans gets another lease on life ..lucky .. Over the last year, i have enjoyed restoring Delios' and finding new and unexpected homes for them , i seem to have a few of em always about ..so why not .. I all so take great pleasure in seeing my fans and parts around the world on friends shelves .. When Tony sent me the message . stating "he'd have a go at this "...no where was there any mention of $$..all i knew that , super fast and wire was on my door stop..A true gentleman .mmmm.  so i look around the shop.. aha ..some cast iron on the "pile" has been cleaned ..but not much else a quik resto took place ...i squeeze this fan in under pressure ..ha My good friend..not as perfect as i like ..but runs fine most of it is new ..cage ,blade, brush holders etc ..and Ricks japan alway a winner you may want to change the cord and plug     I get this of in next few days recon post be slow ..will be a wait as the xmass rush? Tony ,hope you have room for a marelli they do grow on you , and one is a lonely number  cheers from here ..thank you all . jan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17th, 2021 01:22 am |
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Tony Clayton Guest
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Jan Hendriks wrote: Reporting back on Tony's wire multiple runs over the last week , decide is time to empty oil tanks and check visually .. Jan, I'm so absolutely thrilled the porotype nichrome gave your rare Marelli a new lease on life. This made my day to hear she happy and running as she should again. All she ever needed was a little more love from you Jan. As for the Delio....Beautiful, Gorgeous, Amazing craftmanship. I'm certainly not deserving on this. Jan a Claus & Christmas just come early! I'm speechless. (Hope the rest of you get a Marelli under your tree ;o). This was not something you needed to do my friend. I will treasure this forever. I'm truly honored and grateful to own a fan from a Marelli Master. Words just don't come to type how this makes me feel. Thank you Jan from the bottom of my heart. I look forward to the next project Jan! Cheers mate Thank you again. Tony
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17th, 2021 09:09 pm |
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Rick Powell AFCA Member 
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Jan is a class act all the way around, a true gentleman.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 12:50 pm |
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Jim Dunn AFCA Member
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Yes Rick.. I second that ..Jan is a top bloke..I have been blessed with his kindness on many occasions.Enjoy your fan Tony.. I’m sure it will give you much pleasure 😎
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18th, 2021 02:49 pm |
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Chris A. Campbell Guest
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When two masters come together amazing things happen! Great job you two.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 7th, 2021 10:14 pm |
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Tony Clayton Guest
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Jan, I'm reporting back on the safe arrival of the gifted Delio Jan was to kind to send. Thrilled absolutely gorgeous, amazing craftmanship. I'm certainly never expected this nor am I deserving of this work of art. Jan a Claus & Christmas just came early for me! Again still speechless. (May the rest of you find a Marelli under your tree this year). I will dearly treasure this forever. I'm truly honored and grateful to own a fan from a Marelli Master. Words just don't come to type how this makes me feel. Thank you again Jan from the bottom of my heart. I look forward to our next projects Jan! PS This was packed well enough to drop off a multi story building and survive! Cheers mate......Merry Christmas Thank you again. Tony 
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| Posted: Wed Dec 8th, 2021 09:52 am |
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Jan Hendriks AFCA Member
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Tony , Many a kind word above , including yours mate time permitting i have other marellis', to use this wire on ... I'm the one that's a bit speech less. I thank you all Many a good friend i have made world wide ,often thru this club..but always ,starts with a fan .. cheers from the tropics ... enjoy the day cheers jan
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| Posted: Fri Dec 31st, 2021 03:23 pm |
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Tony Clayton Guest
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Jan, I took this photo of the Delio to show you nestled into her new home. Thanks again mate for one of the BEST Christmas fan years ever! 
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| Posted: Sat Jan 8th, 2022 12:30 am |
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Tony Clayton Guest
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The second run done. Nomex applied differently than the first style twisted like original to the day years ago. 30AWG 7ohms per foot. 
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| Posted: Sat Jan 8th, 2022 12:45 am |
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Jan Hendriks AFCA Member
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Tony Clayton wrote: The second run done. Nomex applied differently than the first style twisted like original to the day years ago. 30AWG 7ohms per foot. Hi mate , it gets better ? looking good .. what was left of the original wire you sent, was enough to wire up to original 3 speed specs your Delio's big brother, 12" Bisa  The third fan in the set, rare 16" ball motor Ghibli.. needs a speed coil tooo..  this fan is a daily runner , can operate 24/7,..Built up season here in the tropics , my fans do get a work out .. again Tony, hats off to you mate ...a much needed product . cheers jan Last edited on Sat Jan 8th, 2022 01:00 am by Jan Hendriks |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21st, 2022 11:57 pm |
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Tony Clayton Guest
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I mailed out nichrome wire now to a few other interested parties. Very curious to hear their feedback.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26th, 2022 02:50 am |
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Jan Hendriks AFCA Member
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Hi again....lots of views on this post great job Tony, Back home for a day and next door hands me the post .... assortment of wire , wow ...i ask for pig tail wire for brush holders and the new improved N wire .. speechless again ..every thing i can think of, use for wire is here !! Next is color coded wire ..a signature wire color for use on my fans only eh ...  New N wire ....tony can let you know what im looking at , but is braided...more secure  An example on wire use ...this is a base of a bisa ...a slip ring is being mounted ..(where once a tube shaped speed coil was located) , under brass cap in pic.... a new position and a shape ,can now be made for a speed coil ..this is not possible with out Tony's help  Wire ha where do i want it... ..a brass tube with the wire cemented in side ..tube will rotate inside the bored out center shaft ? bit.... hey bit in pic , holds the yoke .. ..idea being all will spin 360proto type was knocked up down stairs ..in pic ..now new plates made for machining ..  great work ..i using/learning a new phone for pics . Tony you may want to drop some better pics down here .., . cheers my friends jan
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| Posted: Sun Jan 30th, 2022 11:29 pm |
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Ben Guegain AFCA Member
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Just wanted to make a reply here to state how incredibly pleased I am with this roll of Nichrome insulated wire I just purchased from Tony. I have an 8" Westinghouse switch that needed new wire and the insulated copper I had wasn't creating enough resistance. This particular switch is wrapped several times over and could not be done without insulated wire or it wouldn't work. I have yet to rewind the thing but I have no doubt it will work beautifully. After I wind it I will varnish it with a black varnish as it was originally. I couldn't be happier and it is nice to know we have another original recreation available in restorations. Much kudos and admiration to Tony's work. I also had some twisted wire and over braid wire in my order and to those of you who have yet to try out his work. YOU WILL NOT BE DISSAPPOINTED! Well worth the money in my opinion! Thanks again Tony. 
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