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| Posted: Sun Aug 1st, 2010 05:59 am |
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Patrick Ladue AFCA Member
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Looking for a good motor for a GE ak1 16".
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| Posted: Sun Aug 1st, 2010 06:28 am |
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Bill Shrive Guest
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post picture !! I have a few ge motors and misc parts ..
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| Posted: Sun Aug 1st, 2010 04:32 pm |
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Patrick Ladue AFCA Member
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aou ak1 16" cast motor housing stamped base Attached Image (viewed 888 times):
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| Posted: Sun Aug 1st, 2010 05:24 pm |
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Nick Rodnicki Jr Guest 
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Did you remove the coils or did someone else before you got the fan? This is a very simple motor to rewind. You have the stator laminations and the keepers. You just need length of magnet wire or number of turns per coil and wire gauge. The stator laminations are nearly identical (just bigger) compared to a 1928 Emerson 8 inch oscillator I'm rewinding right now. Last edited on Sun Aug 1st, 2010 07:33 pm by Nick Rodnicki Jr |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 1st, 2010 06:28 pm |
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Adam Rohn Guest
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Nick, How do you figure out how many turns are required per coil? I tried to rewind a motor once and I finally gave up because no matter how many turns I made it wasn't enough and the motor kept shortening out
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| Posted: Sun Aug 1st, 2010 10:20 pm |
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Patrick Ladue AFCA Member
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When I got the fan some one had already tried to rewire it and looked like they had pulled the rotor thru the windings and ripped them apart. it was a mess. so I checked around to see how much it would cost to have it rewired but I think I can buy a good used motor for less.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 1st, 2010 10:25 pm |
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Adam Rohn Guest
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More than likely, Patrick. GE's seem to be really common, especially on ebay and I think a motor rewind is at least $200
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| Posted: Sun Aug 1st, 2010 10:35 pm |
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Steve Stephens Guest 
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Patrick, I think you have mismatched parts. The motor you show is a 1920-24 Form V, W, AB, AC, or AD and is cast iron. It came with a cast iron base. Form AK is from 1930 and would be a stamped steel motor and base. Blades would be painted aluminum or (uncommon) painted brass. Unless you want a challenge it might be cheaper and easier to start over with a new fan that runs and has its correct parts. Last edited on Sun Aug 1st, 2010 10:35 pm by Steve Stephens |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 1st, 2010 10:57 pm |
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Patrick Ladue AFCA Member
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will that could be when I got it it had a stamped base, cast motor, 16" alum blade and the tag had aou ak1 so I guess some one got me!
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| Posted: Sun Aug 1st, 2010 10:59 pm |
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Adam Rohn Guest
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You may want to take Steve's suggestion, Patrick. He really knows what he's talking about
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| Posted: Sun Aug 1st, 2010 11:22 pm |
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Patrick Ladue AFCA Member
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Sounds like I have a parts fan. Well it could be worse lol guess I'll go fan hunting.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 2nd, 2010 01:25 am |
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Nick Rodnicki Jr Guest
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Patrick, Would you mind posting a picture of the rest of the parts for your fan and the data tags? We could help determine whether it's a frankenfan or not. Nick
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| Posted: Tue Aug 3rd, 2010 12:12 am |
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Patrick Ladue AFCA Member
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OK here they are Attached Image (viewed 818 times):
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| Posted: Tue Aug 3rd, 2010 12:12 am |
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Patrick Ladue AFCA Member
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| Posted: Tue Aug 3rd, 2010 12:13 am |
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Patrick Ladue AFCA Member
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| Posted: Tue Aug 3rd, 2010 12:14 am |
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Patrick Ladue AFCA Member
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| Posted: Tue Aug 3rd, 2010 12:14 am |
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Patrick Ladue AFCA Member
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| Posted: Tue Aug 3rd, 2010 12:14 am |
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Patrick Ladue AFCA Member
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| Posted: Tue Aug 3rd, 2010 02:36 am |
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Bill Shrive Guest
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Nick Rodnicki Jr wrote: Did you remove the coils or did someone else before you got the fan? This is a very simple motor to rewind. You have the stator laminations and the keepers. You just need length of magnet wire or number of turns per coil and wire gauge. The stator laminations are nearly identical (just bigger) compared to a 1928 Emerson 8 inch oscillator I'm rewinding right now. This is a typical shaded 4 pole motor !!! Big mistake people do when they attempt to rewind motors is rip the coils out with out making a data info sheet !!! What I do if the motor has not been messed with is remove shading retainers with a drift carefully remove coils so you can measure the size !!! Take one coil make a clean cut the count the wires individually on one side this determines the turns !!!then take a strand of wire and gauge it !! i use a starret wire gauge !! Be sure to make sure the varnish is cleaned off for accurate measurement !!! I use a wood block and 4 finishing nails to make my coil wind head and bend the nail at 30 % Installl naills straight so you have accurate coil size !!! The coils are wired #1 Right turn #2 Left turn # 3 right turn #4 Left turn .. The Power cord can be wired series in between any coil !!! I also add about 5 to 8 turns to each coil turn .. Also there are several grades of magnet wire Kynar with a high temp rating .. Coils can be wrapped with high temp electric tape not all electric tape is rated for high temp.. Typical wire gauge on a fan this size can be 24 to 28 gauge .. Essex has magnet wire but you have to buy 10 lb spool prices vary daily depending on what copper prices are that day !!! Sometimes motor shops will sell you some.. Also I varnish after finishing with Dolphs air dry varnish.. That is why it is important to write info down also make sure you install shading retainer the exact way you took them out .. 4 and 2 pole motors are the easiest to do !!!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 3rd, 2010 02:45 am |
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Bill Shrive Guest
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Patrick , let me know what the exact out diameter of the Stator is and what the depth is of the stator lamination !!! I might have a good used one !!!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 3rd, 2010 03:02 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Patrick, from what I see I'm pretty sure you have a 1930 fan with a 1921-24 cast iron motor that has replaced the original stamped steel motor.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 3rd, 2010 03:31 am |
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Adam Rohn Guest
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They actually made the stator out of cast iron in some fans?
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| Posted: Tue Aug 3rd, 2010 05:10 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Not the stator- the motor housing is iron on yours. The motor housing that went with the rest of your fan (base, motor frame, cage, etc.) was a later stamped steel motor (housing).
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| Posted: Tue Aug 3rd, 2010 05:20 am |
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Adam Rohn Guest
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How can you tell his is Stamped Steel, looks cast iron to me but its hard to tell
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| Posted: Tue Aug 3rd, 2010 05:50 am |
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Austin B Ko Guest
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Adam Rohn wrote: How can you tell his is Stamped Steel, looks cast iron to me but its hard to tellIt has the newer switch that has the raised tip.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 3rd, 2010 06:45 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Stamped steel bases are shaped differently than the older, pre-1927 cast iron ones. Cast iron motors have integrally cast gearboxes while the stamped steel motors have the attached pot metal gearboxes. Like so many things, it takes years or hundreds of items to look at before you may know most of the details. I remember when I was stumped by all the different models, makes, and years. Still a lot to learn though.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 3rd, 2010 05:04 pm |
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Adam Rohn Guest
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Thanks Steve and Austin. Steve, I guess I have a ton to learn but I'm really to do so because I love antiques and antique/vintage fan collecting and restoring is becoming addicting!
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