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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 02:49 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest 
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Brad, that's a beauty and look at that japan; pristine. Nothing wrong with a steel cage over the brass ones. I think I may prefer steel to get away from TOO MUCH brass. You even have the original ball detent oscillator wheel. Careful with that that you don't break it since it's pot metal. Maybe some oil on the mechanism to allow the balls to slip into their detents easily. Enjoy, a nice fan for a first one or is this your first 6 winger?
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 03:44 am |
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William Dunlap AFCA Member 
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That's a good one! Nice score. B.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 04:48 am |
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Dan Proctor Guest
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Very nice fan, Brad... congrats!
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 04:50 am |
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Brad Stumpp AFCA Member 
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Hmm, I thought the seller told be that this one was rare because the ocillator wheel is not pot metal? Mostly I was blown away by the condition. Part of the reason I had my budget set the way I did was because I was factoring getting it re finished. Don't need to with this guy. Maybe some meguiars and an afternoon. As far as oiling it the seller said he oiled it up and its ready to go. It runs well. Slight vibration... its reduced when I put a towel under it. No felt- Which is another small inexpensive project for me. Like I said I'll worry about fine tuning it later. Would the vibration be caused by a bearing issue or an unbalanced blade or both? again its really not that bad and it may well be within normal operating parameters. Idk. I know its just a material possession - but I feel so cool owning something that is nearly 100 years old. Like seriously when it turns 100 I am throwing a birthday party for it you're all invited. Steve its funny you mention my wife... she wasn't nearly as thrilled as I was to have it. But I think when she saw how happy it made me she backed off a little. And yes. This is my first 6 blade fan. Actually, apart from my junky walmart chinese fans I have a Victron fan that was given to me by my father in law that I spruced up (the fan that started it all for me), and my 3 dollar garage sale fan. (which I think is sweet) So this certainly represents my first significant investment. Fair warning, I am probably going to go OCD on this fan so I apologize in advance for future threads on this fan. I have a hunger for knowledge! And I want to be able to hand this thing down to my kids when I kick the bucket. (I'm only 27) So I want to make sure I keep it in good shape. Steve Stephens wrote: Brad, that's a beauty and look at that japan; pristine. Nothing wrong with a steel cage over the brass ones. I think I may prefer steel to get away from TOO MUCH brass. You even have the original ball detent oscillator wheel. Careful with that that you don't break it since it's pot metal. Maybe some oil on the mechanism to allow the balls to slip into their detents easily. Enjoy, a nice fan for a first one or is this your first 6 winger?
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 04:58 am |
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Brad Stumpp AFCA Member
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Fixed all the pictures so now you don't have to tilt your necks! thanks for all the kind words guys!
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 05:06 am |
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David Hoatson Guest 
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That is a really nice fan. It has the old style lever that adjust the oscillator. And looks like the original head wire? Are you going to put a mirror polish on the blade, or leave it as-is? Questions for the others: Are these oscillator wheels fragile? I have one on a Nothwind and don't know how gentle I need to treat it. Also, are Emerson cage badges supposed to be crooked? Last edited on Wed Apr 30th, 2014 05:07 am by David Hoatson |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 05:11 am |
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Brad Stumpp AFCA Member
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I'm going for mirror polish eventually. I will give it a few weeks. If I start in on perfecting this fan my wife will kill me. Other projects to be done first lol. I noticed the same about the badge. I think I just need to straighten the way the cage is connected to the fan... Actually let me find out! looks easy.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 05:30 am |
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Brad Stumpp AFCA Member
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Turns out the cage needed to be rotated slightly - All straight now!
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 05:30 am |
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Brad Stumpp AFCA Member
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Turns out the cage needed to be rotated slightly - All straight now!
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 05:30 am |
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David Hoatson Guest
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Brad, felt on the bottom should make it quieter. My Emerson had no bottom plate, so I sat it on a pad of paper. I got lucky - at Aiken a member got me a base plate. I'm going to cover it with suede and mount it this weekend. A wing that is bent towards or away from the motor will act like an out of ballance. If you need to take the blade off, there's lots of advice in the forum. (Some tricks involved) See what the others say, but to best polish the wings, you may want to drill/grind/punch out the rivets, polish with a buffer wheel mounted in a bench grinder, using rouse (sp?) and lacquer, then re-rivet. I borrow a hand held riveter from an Air Force guy at work. It's like pliers, with different anvils to fit different rivet heads. Very easy.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 05:48 am |
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Andrew Block Guest
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I'd personally leave that one as-is. The patina on that blade is beautiful. Just IMHO.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 05:51 am |
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William Dunlap AFCA Member
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Brad, Couple of tips. The wings could be unbalanced but, as covered elsewhere in detail, vibration can be caused by a collection of things, all correctable. Before I balance a blade I insure that the wings are trued and that means check that they are not bent forward or backward and all wings are in a perfect line. Just one off and it can cause a vibration. You don't need any fancy equipment to do this step so it's worth doing before anything else. That oscillator wheel looks to be pot metal and the reason I say that is that there is always paint adhesion problems with that stuff. Look at it, it's practically naked. As far as bearings worn out, it's possible. Providing you're strong enough, hold the fan upside down while it's running and if it gets a whole lot smoother, you've found it. However, nine out of ten Emersons have good bearings. I mean, don't quote me on that, but as far as bearings go, these are the most robust. I like a little shinier brass myself. There's a lot of variety in opinions on this(Patina vs Bling and everything in between)but Brasso is for ROTC cadets, not antique fans. I recommend Simichrome, Mother's Billet, or Lucas Metal polish. Those and more will do the job nicely. Congratulations on a great first antique fan. Mine was a busted up Graybar(GE) that was a NIGHTMARE to fix. Cheers,Bill
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 05:59 am |
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Austin Ko Guest 
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Brad, just curious, did you purchase this fan from Charles T? If so, then this is the very fan I saw at Aiken and it indeed is a very nice fan. It looked pretty much brand new with its intact ball detent oscillator. You got a good one there and it will look even better with the paint all cleaned up.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 06:11 am |
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Charles Tedrick AFCA Member 
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Couple of points here. Yes it was the fan I bought at Aiken. The thing runs very smooth and true and the blades do not need to be touched. A little felt under the base or a towel folded in half will tell you the vibes are not coming from the blades or the motor. I did say the oscillator was pot metal and was rare because it was not broken and in good condition. It was going to be one of my daily drivers this year but now I'll use the 19666 instead, no big deal. The paint on this particular fan is indeed very nice and although it still needs detailing around the oscillator area it looks pretty good.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 06:15 am |
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Brad Stumpp AFCA Member
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Yep! I got it from Charles. Quite the adventure today. the finish is outstanding. Without any buffing you can kind of see my reflection on the top of the motor housing. I don't think it's going to require vigorous effort to get this thing shined up. William- I tried the upside down thing and the vibration remained the same. I am thinking a balance issue which i'd much rather deal with. on the lowest setting its not very audible. but I can feel it in the floor if I stand close to it. On higher settings I can actually hear it. Again, this could be inexperience and OCD combining to make me imagine things that are normal. But certainly I don't think like this minor of a vibration is hurting anything mechanically with the fan. Since I am new at all of this I remember reading meguiar's for the finish. I have some of their banana wax that I use on my mustang. Same stuff here? Can I leave it assembled and clean it? If not meguiar's, what is the best product and method?
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 06:17 am |
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Brad Stumpp AFCA Member
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Ah! I knew you mentioned something about the oscillator being particularly rare. I couldn't remember if it was or wasn't pot metal. No slight intended! Very happy Charles, And the Vibe is Probably just a combo of my inexperience and OCD, lol. Charles Tedrick wrote: Couple of points here. Yes it was the fan I bought at Aiken. The thing runs very smooth and true and the blades do not need to be touched. A little felt under the base or a towel folded in half will tell you the vibes are not coming from the blades or the motor.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 06:18 am |
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Charles Tedrick AFCA Member
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I used Meguires to get it as far as it has come to this point. If you wipe it clean with a microfiber cloth most of the palm prints and such will disappear and you will really see your reflection.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 06:20 am |
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George Durbin AFCA Member 
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Charles Tedrick wrote: I used Meguires to get it as far as it has come to this point. If you wipe it clean with a microfiber cloth most of the palm prints and such will disappear and you will really see your reflection. Thats the problem with going to Charles place... You cant get away without buying something... geo...
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 06:25 am |
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Brad Stumpp AFCA Member
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I told charles theres a ton of stuff there I really like, but my wife will literally kill me if I get another fan in like the next 6 months. I knew that going into this purchase - so I went big! to her its just a fan. I don't know maybe I can smooze her into letting me get something at fanfair. Maybe just a tshirt, lol. PS do they sell stuff like that a fanfair? Tshirts bumper sticker and the like?
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 06:33 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Sometimes shirts can be bought at Fanfair, or hats, and fans. The pot metal osc. wheel on yours looks nice and unbroken/uncracked. Just make sure it's clean and lightly lubricated so not much force is applied to change the degree of oscillation. You can always change it out to the later style that was used often as replacements for the early ball detent one. It's nice to have the original but don't force it to "change gears" or it could crack. The base on the 24 series was the last that DID NOT have felt on a metal baseplate. That came with the 26 and 27 series. Your fan had small rubber feet inserted into 6 (I think) holes in the bottom of the base. They are almost always worn down to the metal. There should be a flat metal plate that covers the switch however as below: Attached Image (viewed 1013 times):
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 06:53 am |
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Brad Stumpp AFCA Member
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What a fantastically useful picture!I made sure to save it. As far as oscillation goes, I think to be safe I am going to engage or disengage it when the fan is turned off to avoid stress on it. Thinking outside the box a little - Would a nice thick piece of natural leather do the job felt would? Not that anyone is really looking at the bottom of the fan, I think that it would be nicer if it absorbed the vibration the same as felt. Just a thought.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 07:10 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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I made a small batch of 3/8" felt pads for a few of my fans. Maybe I'll get around to making some more. I order the felt from Southerland Felt, cut to size, then dye it myself. http://www.afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=13777&forum_id=1&highlight=3%2F8%26quot%3B+felt http://www.afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=14180&forum_id=1&highlight=3%2F8%26quot%3B+felt Look into getting your blade in full balance and any vibration should be greatly reduced. My thick felt pads so decrease the sound but not dramatically. I think they look good under some of my old fans. Attached Image (viewed 1010 times): Last edited on Wed Apr 30th, 2014 07:18 am by Steve Stephens |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 04:28 pm |
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Brad Stumpp AFCA Member
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I've read both of those posts steve - When I first looked at it I guessed that it was thin felt attacked to a circular piece of plywood? But since that is solid felt in that thickness I'd think that would soak up a lot of vibration. you said the min order is 8@ around $8 bucks ea?
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30th, 2014 06:55 pm |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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There is a setup charge to cut to the size you want. I measured a lot of my fans' bases to find one size that would best work on most of them. Were I to do more I might consider a smaller size in addition for the 8" fans, etc. You'd have to call them; I think it was Southerland Felt, otherwise probably Durofelt; I'd have to check my records. The more discs you order the cheaper unit cost because of the setup charge. If you order some I'd like to order at the same time so we could share the setup. Somewhere I have my notes on sizes and where I ordered the felt.
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| Posted: Thu May 1st, 2014 12:58 am |
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William Dunlap AFCA Member
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It looks as if you also have a pot metal pivot knuckle. I think that was an Emerson mistake that they regretted. Take special care that it doesn't get broken, although you could replace it with a cast iron one if it did. Cheers,Bill
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| Posted: Thu May 1st, 2014 01:21 am |
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David Hoatson Guest
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Question - I've only worked on two Emersons but in both cases the fit between the knuckle and the base (for the tilt up/down axis) is very tight. Is this they way it is supposed to be. Or should I sand off some metal from the sides of the knukle to make the fit not so tight?
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| Posted: Thu May 1st, 2014 01:54 am |
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William Dunlap AFCA Member
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Well, I don't have that much more experience with them than you do, but all of them have had tight fits except the pot metal knuckles, which was "just right". If there is any paint on the surfaces where they joint together, it won't be on there long....Cheers,Bill
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| Posted: Thu May 1st, 2014 02:43 am |
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David Hoatson Guest
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Thanks, Bill. They seem real tight coming off and tight going on, but I guess that's the way it's supposed go be. The gap in the base is .560 at the top and .564 near the bottom. My new knukle (old one broke in eBay shipment) is .562 at the top and .565 at the bottom. Snug fit.
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| Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2014 12:06 am |
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Steve Sherwood AFCA Member 
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You want it to fit tight, if it is loose the fan might pivot when running.
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| Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2014 12:27 am |
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Brad Stumpp AFCA Member
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Crazy question: do we know what the original boxes looked like? The likelyhood of one still being in the box is almost nil I realize, but - Perhaps someone kept one? I am just curious.
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| Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2014 01:16 am |
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David Hoatson Guest
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I think tight is good so you can loosen the wing nut to tilt it up/down, without it suddenly dropping down and breaking something. At Aiken, there was an Emerson Northwind that had its original cardboard box. I've seen wooden fan crates for sale.
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| Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2014 02:32 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Original Emerson 28646 box Attached Image (viewed 851 times):
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| Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2014 02:33 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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This is a cardboard box but earlier ones were wood I think. Attached Image (viewed 962 times):
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| Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2014 02:33 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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| Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2014 02:33 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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| Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2014 02:34 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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| Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2014 02:35 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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The successor to the B-Jr., a 2250 C and its box. Attached Image (viewed 958 times):
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| Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2014 02:35 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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| Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2014 03:02 am |
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Brad Stumpp AFCA Member
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Amazing Pics! thank you for sharing! That's definitely on my "must have" list for my collection. Last edited on Fri May 2nd, 2014 03:03 am by Brad Stumpp |
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| Posted: Fri May 2nd, 2014 03:08 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Here's the motor tag for that 28646 and it's a 1931 model, first of the steel blade larger Emersons. Note that the shipping box has had its stenciling changed from "oscillating" to "non-osciilatins" and the Type number stenciled over, maybe from a 27646 as well as the finish on the blades added: "parkerized". Attached Image (viewed 967 times): Last edited on Fri May 2nd, 2014 03:09 am by Steve Stephens |
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