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| Posted: Tue Dec 30th, 2014 10:09 pm |
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Steve Stephens Guest 
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I think you can do better with other fans. The R&M looks good but is missing the proper and probably impossible bronze wing screw for the tilt, and has a thumbscrew in its place that is not correct. The Westy needs some serious cage repairs but Donald Coleman can make you a super nice motor tag. But what Style number to put on the tag? Your guess could be wrong not that that would necessarily matter.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30th, 2014 10:59 pm |
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Cory Baughn Guest 
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And that is why I always post something here! LOL thanks so much. I would've never caught the thumb screw thing. I didn't notice anything wrong with the Westy cage. What is up with it? That motor tag being attainable makes that a bit more tempting but yeah you are right, there are better things to be had probably. The search continues. I have several leads though from members that will hopefully work out with one of them!
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30th, 2014 11:12 pm |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Cory Baughn wrote: I didn't notice anything wrong with the Westy cage. What is up with it? Cages where the S-wires are pinned into the rear ring are subject to getting broken off at that point if bent and/or straightened. GE cages from 1901-07 are notorious to have the front of the cage partially or fully broken off from the rear of the cage. If no shade tree mechanic trys to "fix" those breaks by brazing, soldering, etc. they can be better repaired by shortening the wire where it broke so all wires are the same length and reinserted to the back ring leaving a repair only discernible to those looking for a repair. (GE cages that are 3/16" shorter than normal to be explicit). Those Westy cage wires break very easily if bent much and straightened. It's no big deal to have some wires broken off but it's the amateur repair that messes things up and makes it hard to impossible to end up with a good looking cage. Always look from the side at Westy brass cages to see if any brazing, etc. has been done to the S-wires to the rear ring.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31st, 2014 02:20 am |
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Stephen Chew AFCA Member 
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Hi Cory, Take your time and you will find a better deal. The R&M 3804 isn't a good deal. My wife picked up a nice one for a whole lot less at a estate auction.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31st, 2014 04:42 am |
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Cory Baughn Guest
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Thanks Mr. Stephen, that is great knowledge to have on future fans I find that I might buy. More I learn the better! Especially about fans, something I plan on sticking with for a long, long time. 
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31st, 2014 07:09 pm |
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Fred Berry Guest 
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It is a shame that the 1404 was missing the wing screw. Cory, the attached photo is of one of my 1404's and on the left, you can see the fancy R&M wing screw that Steve is talking about. These are uber-fancy and would be hard to replace, as I do not know of anyone here who makes them like that. Anyhow, I hope that you get the fan that you and I were talking about, off-forum. Attached Image (viewed 1143 times):
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31st, 2014 08:31 pm |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Those R&M wing screws are also SHOULDER wing screws and the shoulder compresses against the side of the trunnion to lock it in place securely and even a baby can operate the tilt on these fans unlike most that are not terribly secure or easy to manipulate.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31st, 2014 09:35 pm |
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Cory Baughn Guest
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Yes I love the 1404, but that was deinfitely a deal breaker after seeing all this info as well. Glad it didn't work out, and that was a lot more than I wanted to give. I actually want something I won't feel bad about repainting as well. That's the part I enjoy unless it is a really, really good fan and then it would be fun bringing what is there back to life. This fan the guy offered to let me have it for $175 shipped. It's the one with the broken part on the neck where the oscillator attaches. If I could run one of those down cheap that might be a good deal. I really like the 6 wingers. http://www.ebay.com/itm/321627274848
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31st, 2014 10:46 pm |
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William Dunlap AFCA Member 
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You could do a lot worse that that. These are great fans. As you can see, there are almost as many opinions about old fans as there are folks who work on the them and collect them. Just so you are aware....a lot of the guys around here tend to be especially helpful to newer and younger members. So if you bought this fan, you would have little difficulty is finding the parts you need. Me? Not so much  I'm still looking for that elusive Northwind armature.... Cheers,Bill
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31st, 2014 11:03 pm |
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Lamar Bass Guest 
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Cory Baughn wrote: Thanks Mr. Stephen, that is great knowledge to have on future fans I find that I might buy. More I learn the better! Especially about fans, something I plan on sticking with for a long, long time. P,M sent
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| Posted: Thu Jan 1st, 2015 01:20 pm |
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Craig Robbins Guest 
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Here is a collar....http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-Antique-Emerson-Fan-Oscillator-Collar-Part-w-Arm-/361170108661?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item54176a80f5
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| Posted: Thu Jan 1st, 2015 04:20 pm |
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David Hoatson Guest 
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Sometimes you can get an c. 1920 Emerson for a good price. The 12" is common and the xx645 is very nice. Look at this on eBay: http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=221647107809 vintage EMERSON 29646 brass blade fan, for restoration or parts Attached Image (viewed 1136 times):
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| Posted: Thu Jan 1st, 2015 10:11 pm |
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Cory Baughn Guest
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I am in the works of talking a guy into an Emerson 29666 fan that is a 6 winger for a good price. eBay seller, it needs a couple parts but it seems to be a solid, solid fan.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 2nd, 2015 12:00 am |
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Charles Tedrick AFCA Member 
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Sometimes who you choose to purchase your fan from can be just as, if not more important than what type you choose. If you pick a reputable forum member the fan will packed correctly and you will not get taken for a ride by someone just looking to make a fast buck or empty grandpas attic and might pack your fan in a paper bag with a post-it label for your address on it. There are plenty of nice types of fans to choose from but you may want to buy your first few fans right here from reputable people. 
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| Posted: Fri Jan 2nd, 2015 12:17 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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As long as the seller can remove the blade and cage without damage to them or to the stator windings you may do ok. If he tries to pack and ship with the blade on he had better be doing it somewhat the way that I do and that is completed but works very well. I will often take 1-2 hours sending or taking photos to send to a seller as well as writing out detailed and, often maybe too long, "tips" or suggestions on how to pack. If they read and heed the fan usually comes in without damage. I've had a few bent back blades/cages because the seller could not remove the blade but shipped it anyway. Make sure you document your correspondence with the seller so you can get a claim if there is damage. I have had probably close to 100 fans from ebay with no broken cast iron or metal parts, just some fairly minor damage. But you can't leave it up to the seller to pack and ship without YOUR input with a lot of suggestions and, if they will allow, phone contact with them to discuss packing. I always take photos as I unpack an item in case there is damage.. This 1910 Royal typewriter arrived yesterday and was packed as if the factory did it. Not a hard typewriter to pack and the metal case made it easier but certain thing needed to be done in packing the the seller exceeded my expectations by a large margin. Attached Image (viewed 1074 times):
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| Posted: Fri Jan 2nd, 2015 12:22 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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He used that great spongy closed cell foam, a "log" of rolled bubble wrap as I had suggested to her ("her" husband did the packing as he does on hard to pack items she said), and a good, sturdy, new box. Here is after the typewriter was removed and the case lifted off. For more info on packing you can look at my packing and shipping a fan with blade and cage on. I do NOT recommend that ebay sellers try this due to the complexity and room for error. I've shipped about 12 fans this way including 16" brass and iron with no damage. …………..How to pack a fan with cage and blade on. - Pre-1950 (Antique) - Antique Fan Collectors Association - AFCA Forums Attached Image (viewed 1105 times):
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| Posted: Fri Jan 9th, 2015 10:01 am |
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Cory Baughn Guest
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As an update I got a fan fellas! I ended up getting the 29666 and I had bid on, and about the same time a guy I had asked about a small GE 6" H series sent me a message back saying he'd take $50 shipped for it! Given the market on these I've seen recently that seemed like a great deal for a running fan. I plan on restoring it and trying to figure out how that Radio Shack Diode is wired up that Mr. Huber mentions on a few threads. I'll get pictures of them up when they arrive. Now that I've got my first fan I guess the "hunt" is over as far as first fans go. I still am looking for a Century Skeletal though and Fred Berry is helping me look as well. Probably my favorite fan besides the rare ones that are out of my reach. The sound they make starting up is just too cool. Last edited on Fri Jan 9th, 2015 10:02 am by Cory Baughn |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 9th, 2015 12:05 pm |
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Craig Robbins Guest
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I can help with the radio shack "diode"....Bridge rectifier. I wired one into my DC R&M 2303. This is the fan........http://www.afcaforum.com/view_topic.php?id=35048&forum_id=1&jump_to=296832#p296832
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| Posted: Fri Jan 9th, 2015 12:10 pm |
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Cory Baughn Guest
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Awesome Craig! I'll be riding over sometime soon with your stuff too. Gotta look for a switch too for that GE. That'll be the fan on the back burner though till the other stuff is done I guess. Gonna take some time hunting parts.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 9th, 2015 02:13 pm |
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Fred Berry Guest
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Cory, Congrats on getting a 29666. You're starting out with the best fan maker, and a 12" 6-pole 6-winger at that! Please post photos when you get it and its restoration. As Ron May said in another post, a polished set of Emerson blades is "like a wall of brass". Emerson 6-wing blades have an awesome shape to them. Parts for these are easy to come by, and several skilled people here also make parts in case you cannot find originals. Photo: Emerson "Wall of brass" Attached Image (viewed 953 times):
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11th, 2015 05:59 am |
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Cory Baughn Guest
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Can you put one of those rectifiers in any fan? My grandmothers needs slowing by half at least.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11th, 2015 06:18 am |
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Don Tener Guest 
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Cory Baughn wrote: Can you put one of those rectifiers in any fan? My grandmothers needs slowing by half at least. A rectifier is for changing AC current to DC. If you want to slow it down you will need a Variac. Look here https://www.google.com/search?q=variac&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=JvmxVJjIFuzisASy6YGABg&ved=0CHsQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=946#imgdii=_
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11th, 2015 06:26 am |
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Rob Byledbal Guest 
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Congrats Cory!!
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11th, 2015 11:08 am |
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Cory Baughn Guest
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Thanks Rob and thanks for the info Dan, another thing I need to know and learn about. I think I've seen a Varian in my grandpa's shop, I'll get down there tomorrow and see if I am right. Save some money if so. And I wish my Emerson was that early of one Fred, I love that open cage without the badge on those older ones. Last edited on Sun Jan 11th, 2015 11:12 am by Cory Baughn |
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| Posted: Thu Jan 15th, 2015 06:26 am |
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Gordon Sommers AFCA Member 
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Cory, What you need to do is come over to Lousiana next month to the Mardi-Gras fan meet and find you a fan. Then you know what you are getting. At the fan meets there are always good friends and good deals. Come on over hope to see ya there. I'll be bringing some for sale.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 15th, 2015 06:47 am |
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Andrew Block Guest
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I agree about the MG meet in New Iberia. The 1404 is a nice, reliable, fairly easy to work on fan.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 15th, 2015 11:14 am |
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Cory Baughn Guest
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Yeah if I can get off I will do my hardest. How expensive is lodging around there? I'm a good ways away and would need to get a place to bed down for sure.
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