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 Posted: Fri Jan 29th, 2021 11:51 pm
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Vic Valencheck
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Louis Luu wrote: I only have the one Rick Powell sent me...I think it will work.  I don't have an 8 inch ECK to compare with.

Vic Valencheck wrote: Louis, Don't forget about my 8" ECK badge.  :wondering:
I'll have to ask around to see if someone can give me dimensions for a 8" 

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 Posted: Fri Jan 29th, 2021 11:58 pm
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Louis, great project your taking on! Just a question, why are you casting in bronze when ,”I believe”, most were cast in yellow brass? There is no disrespect intended. Thanks

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 12:01 am
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Bronze are easier to cast...most artist use it and it captures details a lot better.  Shines up just like brass!

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The primary difference in brass vs bronze is the percentage of alloy mixed in (primary ratio of copper to nick/zinc). Bronze is much sturdier...used for sculpting...a preferred metal due to corrosion resistance. Also, bronze gears are actually much stronger than brass gears.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 12:06 am
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The other difference is bronze is not as malleable as brass. Some people prefer brass for applications where it requires malleability. Huge statues...need to be stiff/not malleable.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 12:16 am
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Louis Luu wrote: The other difference is bronze is not as malleable as brass. Some people prefer brass for applications where it requires malleability. Huge statues...need to be stiff/not malleable.Thanks for your answer.  I had some victor badges casted up awhile ago and there weren’t to many people fond of using yellow brass.  Most wanted to use a silicon bronze which seemed a little to dark for our fans.  I’m guessing there is a difference.  Thanks Mark

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 12:20 am
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Mark Behrend wrote: Louis Luu wrote: The other difference is bronze is not as malleable as brass. Some people prefer brass for applications where it requires malleability. Huge statues...need to be stiff/not malleable.Thanks for your answer.  I had some victor badges casted up awhile ago and there weren’t to many people fond of using yellow brass.  Most wanted to use a silicon bronze which seemed a little to dark for our fans.  I’m guessing there is a difference.  Thanks MarkActually, thinking back, it could have been silicone brass.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 12:21 am
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Silicon can be used...I agree...too dark.  There are different categories of bronze.  Once you get a certain percentage of additives...forgot what that was...now it is bronze.  But honestly, the pointers and box I made shine up really well.
Silicon atoms are much bigger than the copper atoms and would also make a stiff metal...interstitial alloy.  I go the opposite...I try to find an additive close to the row on the periodic table close to copper to create the same affect.  I have no idea what Silicon/bronze alloy is used for.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 12:28 am
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Louis, I messaged Ron Jeter  and he said that the 8" and 12" badges are the same.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 12:40 am
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Got it.  Put you down for one ECK

Vic Valencheck wrote: Louis, I messaged Ron Jeter  and he said that the 8" and 12" badges are the same.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 12:41 am
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Louis Luu
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Mark...look at the color difference.  My alloy vs the original ECK and FWEW.

Mark Behrend wrote: Louis, great project your taking on! Just a question, why are you casting in bronze when ,”I believe”, most were cast in yellow brass? There is no disrespect intended. Thanks



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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 02:18 am
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Louis Luu
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Michael Rathberger 1 J.Stone badge.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 03:07 am
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Louis Luu wrote: Got it.  Put you down for one ECK?

Vic Valencheck wrote: Louis, I messaged Ron Jeter  and he said that the 8" and 12" badges are the same.
Yes please. 

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 03:11 am
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Louis Luu
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Got it.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 03:58 am
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Thanks Luu - - those small R&M "standard" brass badges are needed (small quantities)  -  I can send a good one for a pattern if you need one.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 03:59 am
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Yes please.

Steven P Dempsey wrote: Thanks Luu - - those small R&M "standard" brass badges are needed (small quantities)  -  I can send a good one for a pattern if you need one.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 04:10 am
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Bronze has lower casting temperature. Jewelry casting normally cast Bronze, not Brass. Also bronze casting the mold is less than 4 inch so most badges are tolerable to cast. I have asked one company to cast H64 brass for me the mold along costs 5 grand..... Generally brass casting costs more than bronze and more difficult to do so.

Mark Behrend wrote: Louis, great project your taking on! Just a question, why are you casting in bronze when ,”I believe”, most were cast in yellow brass? There is no disrespect intended. Thanks

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 04:13 am
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I ran into the same problem...just for the pattern...it was cost prohibitive.  I make the pattern myself and have my friend cast for me.  I tell him what I want in the mix...it turns out great.

William Wu wrote: Bronze has lower casting temperature. Jewelry casting normally cast Bronze, not Brass. Also bronze casting the mold is less than 4 inch so most badges are tolerable to cast. I have asked one company to cast H64 brass for me the mold along costs 5 grand..... Generally brass casting costs more than bronze and more difficult to do so.

Mark Behrend wrote: Louis, great project your taking on! Just a question, why are you casting in bronze when ,”I believe”, most were cast in yellow brass? There is no disrespect intended. Thanks

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 04:59 am
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Lou I was extremely shocked by that "$50" because I know that is basically the material cost and your labor into it. I was quoted $50 with 100 minimum cast unit, not counting the 5 grand die to make. Really appreciate your work.

Louis Luu wrote: I ran into the same problem...just for the pattern...it was cost prohibitive.  I make the pattern myself and have my friend cast for me.  I tell him what I want in the mix...it turns out great.

William Wu wrote: Bronze has lower casting temperature. Jewelry casting normally cast Bronze, not Brass. Also bronze casting the mold is less than 4 inch so most badges are tolerable to cast. I have asked one company to cast H64 brass for me the mold along costs 5 grand..... Generally brass casting costs more than bronze and more difficult to do so.

Mark Behrend wrote: Louis, great project your taking on! Just a question, why are you casting in bronze when ,”I believe”, most were cast in yellow brass? There is no disrespect intended. Thanks


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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 05:03 am
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It would have cost more had this been done commercially. The lost wax mold is the most expensive. I get around by doing this myself. I tried pouring one time...that was enough for me. Leave it to the experts. I do it because I know there are fans out there missing the badge...glad to help out. There have other people here who have helped me in the past.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 06:08 am
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Steven P Dempsey
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tee hee, cast in 24 K gold . . .

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 06:12 am
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Mark...I researched properties of Silicon...I suspect they wanted a larger atom to make for a stiffer alloy with lubricant property...more slippery to resist mechanical wear due to its network covalent bond...at least that is what I suspect.

Mark Behrend wrote: Mark Behrend wrote: Louis Luu wrote: The other difference is bronze is not as malleable as brass. Some people prefer brass for applications where it requires malleability. Huge statues...need to be stiff/not malleable.Thanks for your answer.  I had some victor badges casted up awhile ago and there weren’t to many people fond of using yellow brass.  Most wanted to use a silicon bronze which seemed a little to dark for our fans.  I’m guessing there is a difference.  Thanks MarkActually, thinking back, it could have been silicone brass.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 12:21 pm
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I’d like 2 of the Victor Badges. Thanks. 

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 05:15 pm
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William Wu wrote: Lou I was extremely shocked by that "$50" because I know that is basically the material cost and your labor into it. I was quoted $50 with 100 minimum cast unit, not counting the 5 grand die to make. Really appreciate your work.

$50 is indeed a very attractive price and many people over look the labor intensity. Aside from time involved in developing process, refining the process, perfecting the process then comes the labor involved for each piece. Even at this stage there are uncontrollable elements that prevent a 1:1 return. 

There will be a time in the future when people reference back to this thread asking if anyone has a badge willing to sell.


 

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 07:51 pm
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I just started cleaning the Victor badge and rounding the edge a bit...removing burs. I always clean with brasso and the metal lightens...not brassy anymore. There was some stubborn bits that was hard to remove...I gently treated with a little heat...strangely...the brass color came back. I will post pictures of the clean up badge in a bit to show the change in color upon cleaning with brasso. It did turn back to yellow upon applied heat.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 30th, 2021 08:46 pm
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Here is the Victor badge all cleaned up and solder removed.  I will add 2% (about 1.2 mm) back to the outer edge and fill the chipped part...it came that way.



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G'day Louis.. could I put my hand up for 1x J stone and 1 x victor please... love your work! Thanks heaps Don't expect free shipping ....please. 

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48th Post:        Silicon atoms are much bigger than the copper atoms and would also make a stiff metal...interstitial alloy.  I go the opposite...I try to find an additive close to the row on the periodic table close to copper to create the same affect.  I have no idea what Silicon/bronze alloy is used for.


      I don't know what may have changed the last twenty-five years, but silicon-bronze was the choice for fasteners in wooden boat work... Like the others here, I admire and appreciate ALL the work you've been doing, Louis.....

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 Posted: Sun Jan 31st, 2021 07:51 pm
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Too late...at the top it says free shipping.

Jim Dunn wrote: G'day Louis.. could I put my hand up for 1x J stone and 1 x victor please... love your work! Thanks heaps Don't expect free shipping ....please. 


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Steve, nowadays there are different types of bronze for various applications.  No big deal.  Mark just wanted to know the difference.

Steve Rockwell wrote: 48th Post:        Silicon atoms are much bigger than the copper atoms and would also make a stiff metal...interstitial alloy.  I go the opposite...I try to find an additive close to the row on the periodic table close to copper to create the same affect.  I have no idea what Silicon/bronze alloy is used for.


      I don't know what may have changed the last twenty-five years, but silicon-bronze was the choice for fasteners in wooden boat work... Like the others here, I admire and appreciate ALL the work you've been doing, Louis.....

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I did say "please"

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 Posted: Mon Feb 1st, 2021 06:11 pm
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I know...but we had a deal.  Shipping is free.  In the past...I remembered you sent me stuff for borrow...free shipping.  Please kindly accept...it will make me feel better.  Have a great day Jim!

Jim Dunn wrote: I did say "please"

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There is still time to place order. Due to weather...I was unable to send them out last weekend...will be going out this weekend. All orders will close this Friday (2-5-2021). I got a couple more wax negatives to make.
Clarification needed.  Sorry if I don't respond to every post.  If you placed an order here, you are set.  I will tally up the total at closing date (2-5-2021) and make the required number of badges needed.

Last edited on Tue Feb 2nd, 2021 03:36 am by Louis Luu

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2 ECK please 

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Richard Koung...I already got you down for 2 ECK...sorry for the confusion.

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Put me down for two cast victor badges... I hope I’m not too late... if you only have one that will be fine.. if you have any questions that need answering right away you can call me..  I don’t always look at my messages every day.. Thanks..

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Louis Luu
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Got it David.

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1 Victor 
1 ERK
1 J Stone


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Louis/George,Put me down for 1 Hunter please.

Thank you for your efforts :hammer:

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