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 Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2015 07:25 am
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Gary Hagan



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Marc Barnes wrote: Tom Dreesen wrote: Marc Barnes wrote: Mike Petree wrote: "The auction Don posted ended with zero bidders for the fan. Looks like all the hand-wringing over his sharing it here was pointless. "

The fan had zero bids because it was overpriced for it's condition and missing key parts.  Whether you are right or wrong on posting ebay links, this auction result does not vindicate your position.





Exactly, I agree on both points. 

A "position" in this share/don't share eBay live auctions discussion can't be proven with only anecdotal evidence, as I've pointed out in the past. But that is all anyone has to work with, on both sides of the discussion about what happens when active auctions are posted here. And there are always a number of variables which affect every eBay listing. Whether the listing is shared here or not is simply one of many variables.

But the discussion about what happens to the price of fans shared here isn't really the main point to me (and wasn't the main point of my post which you responded to), although I understand that is likely the main thing that matters to others. I don't need to vindicate the main points of my position, which are that sharing live eBay (and other) auctions here is absolutely fine, aligns very well with the AFCA mission, is permitted by the AFCA and brings zero harm to anyone, and members should feel free to share them without concern or fear. And in fact, some are very grateful when members do so. 

Mr. Tener shouldn't have been called out for sharing the listing here, no matter why he shared it (apparently thinking it was BIN) or what happened with the less-than-perfect fan. 

Most of this discussion is just noise which ignores and distracts from the main points of my position for the most part. 




You cannot vindicate your position.  There is a reason appraisers use the caveat "a well publicized auction".
You simply cannot go against decades of auction results by calling them anecdotal. 


I didn't realize you had decades of data which shows how fans on eBay go for so much more money than they would have if they hadn't been shared on the AFCA forum. Please, share that verifiable data with everyone here. You don't need to provide decades of data -- five years is plenty. I'm still waiting, and I'm sure others would enjoy seeing it as well. I won't hold my breath. You'll have to start gathering data from auctions OTHER than this listing that you jumped down Don's throat for posting, because this fan had no bids, at all. None. Zero. 

And still, that's just noise to distract from the easily proven facts -- sharing live eBay (and other) auctions here is absolutely fine, aligns very well with the AFCA mission, is permitted by the AFCA and brings zero harm to anyone, and members should feel free to share them without fear or concern. 
No doubt many members won't for various reasons. At least a few probably won't because they don't feel like facing the posse just to share a fan listing with fellow members. 











Marc,
There have been many scientific studies done to prove what we are all saying. One was done in sweden regarding real estate auctions over a sample of 512 auctions.  Read here.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=NTeCVZ6hN4ajNvK6gqgP&url=http://www.umac.mo/fba/irer/papers/forthcoming/IR120207%2520Bidder%2520on%2520Condo%2520in%2520Stockholme%2520(Hungria-Gunnelin).pdf&ved=0CCAQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNFmAAEd_9vWTppt5iPMG96OU8TfDw
I am not trying to be difficult but it can be proven mathematically through probability distribution functions. I would go to the trouble of posting the formulas derived by some of the brightest minds in the country but I doubt even that would be enough to change your opinion. You don't believe in global warming either I'm guessing.