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Levi Musselwhite Guest 
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Any body got a Picture of a instruction paper that was glued to the base plate of the ol 1914 GE Collar Oscillator?????? |
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Levi Musselwhite Guest
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ANY ONE COME ON PLEASE IM BEGGIN YOU!!!!! |
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Levi Musselwhite Guest
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bump |
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Levi Musselwhite Guest
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I'm back and will keep bugging about this one. |
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Peter Garcia Guest 
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I have a collar oscillator and wonder if it ever came with one, does yours have any sign that it came with one? |
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Ron Powell Guest 
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Here's the best I can do Levi. You'll probably need to photo shop it. Attached Image (viewed 2044 times): |
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Levi Musselwhite Guest
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Peter. I believe it did. Any way most GE's had something I think. I could tell there was something glued to the bottom of mine. Just a few shreds of paper and a few characters were still there so it must have. |
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Ron Powell Guest
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Levi, The one I posted above is for a Collar Oscillator. |
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Levi Musselwhite Guest
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Ron. I see, cool man!!! Thanks a lot. The number in the bottom right corner threw me off. I always thought that was a date. So 1912 was to early for the collar. I believe they only made them in 1914. And some of the instructions did not seem to add up. I mean no disrespect but did you take that picture and did you see that it was an original printing on an oscillator? |
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Steve Stephens Guest 
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Levi Musselwhite wrote: ...did you take that picture and did you see that it was an original printing on an oscillator?I was wondering the same thing; is that tag from an oscillator. Not ever having a collar oscillator I'm not sure what the bottom tag would look like. At least the later oscillators have separate tags for oscillators and non-oscillators. The tags that oscillate have instructions on how to operate the oscillator. Attached Image (viewed 2013 times): |
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Ron Powell Guest
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Yes I just noticed that, A Member that is very knowledgeable about GE's posted this as a Collar oscillator instructions. I'm sure it's probably identical to the original except for the date. |
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Levi Musselwhite Guest
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Well between the two instruction sheets I see the instructions are more detailed toward a certain fan or certain type of fan. And with production back then being the quality it was I'm guessing the collar had pretty unique instructions that could not be stuck on another fan down the road to save the company money. But thanks for the great pics of these. Some one sent me a pm and hopefully they have a pic of an og. sheet. Last edited on Fri Oct 22nd, 2010 06:05 am by Levi Musselwhite |
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Levi Musselwhite Guest
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Also with a closer inspection I'm pretty sure the printing was round not square. |
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Ron Powell Guest
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What do you mean ROUND printing? |
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Fred Berry Guest 
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It makes sense to me that Ron's paper is from a collar oscillator...as far as I know, you don't grease the collar and everything for this oscillator is inside the fan and not reachable by the owner? Hence no instructions on greasing the transmission? On a standard rear-box oscillator, the transmission is easily assessable. Not on the collar type, which I am told is rather fragile and the gears/shafts easily broken. |
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Levi Musselwhite Guest
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I mean the pice of paper they glued to the base was round. I suppose they could have varied but I don't know. Last edited on Fri Oct 22nd, 2010 10:59 pm by Levi Musselwhite |
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Levi Musselwhite Guest
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like this one you posted some time ago. Attached Image (viewed 1991 times): |
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Levi Musselwhite Guest
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On the collar's front bearing there is a hole that drains back into the gear box from the bearing. It's probably just to allow excess grease to return to the gear box but if you take the blades off and put some grease around the shaft and when you press the blades back on it will squeeze grease back into the gear box. I doubt thats on the instructions. And you would think that the instructions would include how to operate the collar as it was very unique to fans up till then. Maybe I'm being picky but I sure would like the fan as close to original as can be. |
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Ron Powell Guest
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That's a 8 inch fan Levi. They used them only on the small fans. |
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Levi Musselwhite Guest
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So thats what 8-INCH means........ Har Har. I'm not saying that it was a round one. Just looks like it could have been. And as no one on here seems to have seen one its not within the realm of possibility that it could have been round. Attached Image (viewed 1851 times): |
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Kim Frank AFCA Member 
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The hole that is by the front bearing returns oil to the reservoir that is slung off the shaft and slingers on the blade. At least, that is what it is supposed to do if it isn't clogged up. It has nothing to do with lubricating the beveled gears in the neck. The oscillating gears were greased at the factory and short of some disassembly, probably never saw grease again. Same for the front gear housing and worm that is on the rotor shaft. The Collar Oscillator wasn't around very long, somewhere in the year 1914. Find some lub instructions around then for a stationary fan and you'll probably be fine. JMO |
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Ron Powell Guest
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Levi Musselwhite wrote: So thats what 8-INCH means........ Har Har. Here's a photo of a base plate just like yours with a copy of it's ORIGINAL instructions on it. There SQUARE. Attached Image (viewed 1849 times): |
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Levi Musselwhite Guest
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Ok.... same base plate but is that a Collar? I'm probably just dumb but my instincts say its just not right..... Guess some one will just have to hit me over the head with a hammer a few times before I get the picture.... But any way I really am thankful for all the input!!!! You guys are really great!! And Kim thanks for the oil tip. That hole just did not seem like it was a grease return... and I did not really notice any thing that looked like an oil rez. when I had it apart. But looking at the pat. I guess it could be an oil rez. after all. I thought that it was just grease in there. http://www.google.com/patents?id=DqxZAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&dq=1258478&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false |
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Ron Powell Guest
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Levi Musselwhite wrote: I'm probably just dumb but my instincts say its just not right..... Guess some one will just have to hit me over the head with a hammer a few times before I get the picture.... I reckon so!  |
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Nick Rodnicki Jr Guest 
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Ok. Here's the genuine article. I just took the base plate off my original, untouched, unrestored, severely needing restoration collar oscillator. I scanned what's left of the label from the base plate. I've got the month and day but not the year. I originally scanned the image at 300 dpi and the month and day are clearly 10-11 though the year could have been 1913 or 1914. Levi, I will be recreating this label or you can just as well use the 5-14-10 label and change the date and 25m to 20m as both labels are verbatim. Both the Collar Oscillator label and the 5-14-10 label are marked L-10151 on the bottom left corner. Ron, the coffee "instant patina" looks great! Original Label:  Green & Yellow line cord still attached to the switch. Line cord had been cut off at the base.  5-14-10 Label  Last edited on Sat Oct 23rd, 2010 06:29 am by Nick Rodnicki Jr |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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I checked my GE sidewinder and found half of the base tag there (photo below). Since this was GE's first oscillator and the tag states on it "ALTERNATING CURRENT OSCILLATING FAN MOTORS" it would be pretty certain that, on other GE oscillators, the words "OSCILLATING FAN" would appear as on this sidewinder as well as the later teens AOU oscillating fan motors. Doesn't it seem that the collar oscillator would also have an "oscillator" tag on the bottom? The "L" number on my sidewinder is L-10416. None of the rest of the bottom of the tag is present. It's always possible that any "original and never molested" fan was actually molested or slightly modified in its early years while undergoing periodic maintenance and repairs. A motor shop might not really care which bottom plate came off what fan when replacing the plates. No tag on my kidney osc., a three star osc. has "OSCILLATING FAN" on the tag yet a 2 star does not have "the words"- only Alternating Current Fan Motor. A 1920 Form V brass bell oscillator and the last before GE began to use felt baseplates also has OSCILLATING FAN on the tag. I think the jury is still deliberating on this issue and we'll need more examples to tell us what's what. Attached Image (viewed 1807 times): Last edited on Sat Oct 23rd, 2010 07:20 am by Steve Stephens |
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Kim Frank AFCA Member
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This tag is from......???? Had it in my files. As I remember, it fit on the bottom plate that attached to the switch via a center screw. Attached Image (viewed 1862 times): Last edited on Sat Oct 23rd, 2010 09:10 pm by Kim Frank |
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Levi Musselwhite Guest
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Getting Closer!!! Certainly the lubrication section would work. Guess I'll and accept that my instincts may be wrong and just accept it. I'll probably make my own using combinations of all of them. But if my instincts were right and the evidence is in my favor then I'll be coming around to the skeptics with some good old I told you so's!! So I'll keep bumping this one in the hopes that someone else finds a Collar with the Base printing and see what that one is like. |
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Ron Powell Guest
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Don't hold your breath! |
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Levi Musselwhite Guest
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ya no kidding rare Adjective /re(ə)r/ rarest superlative; rarer comparative (of an event, situation, or condition) Not occurring very often a rare genetic disorder it's rare to meet someone who's content with their life (of a thing) Not found in large numbers and consequently of interest or value the jellyfish tree, one of the rarest plants on earth Unusually good or remarkable he plays with rare strength and sensitivity |
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Nick Rodnicki Jr Guest
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I understand that we would logically think that an oscillating fan should have an instruction label that says "oscillating". You have to remember two things though: 1. In this hobby never say never. 2. We have no idea who was gluing labels on base plates at the GE factory in 1914. Maybe they ran out of Oscillating instruction labels the day my collar oscillator was built. It could've happened. Even though the original instructions attached to the base plate of my collar oscillator are now in question since they do not say "oscillating", will someone else please post another original instruction label attached to the base plate of their collar oscillator so we can stick a knife in this mystery and call it done. Last edited on Sun Oct 24th, 2010 05:49 am by Nick Rodnicki Jr |
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Kim Frank AFCA Member
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Just found this, hidden in my shop..... Attached Image (viewed 1798 times): |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Dang, those old GEs did come with either rubber or brass grommets. Thank you for finding this historic document Kim. What other tasty information is hiding in your shop? Quick, how soon can you have 14 sets of brass grommets ready for me to buy? Being they are original I want them on my GEs. |
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Levi Musselwhite Guest
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Steve, Nick. What do ya think? Is Kim just trying to shut me up? You guys been here longer and I'm just a guest (not for long, just dont tell the wife) Is Kim pretty trust worthy despite that creepy avatar??  HA HA!!!Last edited on Sun Oct 24th, 2010 06:51 am by Levi Musselwhite |
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Nick Rodnicki Jr Guest
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Kim Frank wrote: Just found this, hidden in my shop..... .........from the great great grandson of the GE fan assembly worker who was assembling Collar Oscillators in 1914. ROFLMAO  |
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Levi Musselwhite Guest
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Uh-Oh! Some one just posted another printing like Nick's collar!!!! I'll be going to the shed for my hammer... SURVAY SAYS.... So being a pretty special fan for the time my guess would be that they sent special instructions with it not attached to the bottom. Last edited on Sun Oct 24th, 2010 06:56 am by Levi Musselwhite |
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Levi Musselwhite Guest
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Dare I ask it........ Is Scott's or Nicks printing a Fake???? Look how the word "Filled" is spelled in the lubrication section in Scott's Photo Compared to Nicks. So do they count as a vote for this style of printing.?? Attached Image (viewed 1840 times): |
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Levi Musselwhite Guest
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nicks Attached Image (viewed 1768 times): |
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Ron Powell Guest
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Levi, Neither are FAKES! I get the idea that if GOD himself came down to earth and told you, you wouldn't believe it. Doubting Thomas would not believe till he got physical proof either but, now you have it. So accept it or not and go on your merry way, your beating a dead horse. Attached Image (viewed 1718 times): |
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Levi Musselwhite Guest
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Actually it is good enough for me... Just trying to get some more debate going for fun but as I see some people are getting testy about it I guess I'll take my horse to the glue factory. O-well. |
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Kim Frank AFCA Member
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Levi Musselwhite wrote: Just trying to get some more debate going for funJust be careful....the powers that be don't like the boat rocked......btw, just found another Collar oscillator instruction sheet....hope it works for you. Attachment: scan0002.pdf (Downloaded 879 times) Last edited on Sun Oct 24th, 2010 11:12 pm by Kim Frank |
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Ron Powell Guest
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That pretty technical sounding Kim I don't know if that's in clear enough English for some. You may have to add pictures and arrows. |
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Levi Musselwhite Guest
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When in Rome....... (see picture) Any Way.... Thought I had put this one to rest but apparently not so I guess I'll try again. Thank you to those who gave serious opinions and thoughts to this thread. And thank you for showing me who I should not joke around with or question. I hope I have not caused any hard feelings. I just joined the association today despite what could be construed snobby insults from a couple senior members, If I get in am not blacklisted already (for "rocking the boat") I hope to be able to contribute something for the preservation of great fans. Attached Image (viewed 1213 times): |
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Kim Frank AFCA Member
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Now that's a great set of instructions....See.... bogus is a lot more fun than the real stuff ...and who's to know???....... |
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Fred Berry Guest
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I honestly believe that the last set of instructions, posted as a PDF file by Kim Frank, are the original instructions for the collar oscillator. You should be able to save this, size it to the fan base, print it out and attach to the fan. These are important for potential future owners, as this fan (of course) will outlast the present owners(s). Thanks to the AFCA and its members, another question answered. |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Fred Berry wrote:I honestly believe that the last set of instructions, posted as a PDF file by Kim Frank, are the original instructions for the collar oscillator. Fred, "you are stupid and should of (sic) purchased an Emerson fan". At least that's what the tag says which you think is the right one for the collar oscillator. |
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Kim Frank AFCA Member
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Fred Berry wrote: I honestly believe that the last set of instructions, posted as a PDF file by Kim Frank, are the original instructions for the collar oscillator.Actually, that last set was just a joke. The set of instructions I posted prior to that are the real deal, actual collar oscillator installation instructions that were given to me years ago by the administrator of the GE archives in Schenectady, a very nice man by the name of Eddie Sun. Last edited on Tue Oct 26th, 2010 02:53 am by Kim Frank |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Kim it's too bad that you don't collect Emersons. There is an old collector in St. Louis that has a ton of them and he has been sharing old Emerson catalogs and other printed info with people who contact him. Cent Ury 14 Skeleton Dr. St. Louis, CA |
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Fred Berry Guest
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Kim Frank wrote: Fred Berry wrote:I honestly believe that the last set of instructions, posted as a PDF file by Kim Frank, are the original instructions for the collar oscillator.Actually, that last set was just a joke. The set of instructions I posted prior to that are the real deal, actual collar oscillator installation instructions that were given to me years ago by the administrator of the GE archives in Schenectady, a very nice man by the name of Eddie Sun. Guys I WAS joking when I posted above!! I was just acting kinda serious, but I would, indeed, be totally dumb if I read that and really believed it was the real tag. I laughed my posterior off when I read it...maybe it really SHOULD be the real tag!←"real and really" said twice... |
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Steven P Dempsey Guest 
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Here's what's left of the label on my 1914 Collar Oscillator, good to know there are complete ones out there. Attached Image (viewed 1023 times): |
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Korey Kreitman AFCA Member
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Kim, This is from an old post, but I'm looking for a high quality digital image of the instruction decal on the bottom of a GE three star oscillator fan. You posted an image that is like the one I'm looking for. It has a date of 1915 on it and the hole in the middle. I have a friend that can reproduce them, but needs a good quality image. Also, if possible, could you include the dimensions of the decal? Mine was mostly missing, so I was unable to get the actual size. If you can help me, please email it to: kdkreitman@msn.com Thank you, Korey Last edited on Thu Mar 7th, 2019 05:02 pm by Korey Kreitman |
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Lane Shirey AFCA Member 
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or post the image- I'd like a copy too. These should be added to our info or restoration area. |
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Steven P Dempsey Guest
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What I had on mine is below! Yeah, some coffee stains would look nice  |
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