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 Posted: Fri Nov 19th, 2010 06:37 pm
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Jeff Heinrich
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I bought this Robbins and Myers 2610 oscillator 3 speed at an auction. Of course the cord is shot and I won't plug it in. But from what I see I think it will work. Here is a pic of it. Let me know what you think its worth as is.   Thanks Jeff 

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 Posted: Fri Nov 19th, 2010 07:27 pm
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Jeff, is that a 12" fan? Probably around $15-25 due to the overall poor condition. A full restoration might be in order which, should you do it all, may be fun. If you were to have much of the work done the cost into the fan would be more than it's worth. Really nice original examples can be bought for $50-100 with some looking.

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 Posted: Fri Nov 19th, 2010 08:20 pm
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That fan has the wrong blade. The 2610 should have a 5-wing brass blade.

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 Posted: Fri Nov 19th, 2010 08:26 pm
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Hopefully it is worth at least what you paid... :D

$15-25 sounds about right






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 Posted: Fri Nov 19th, 2010 11:42 pm
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the blade size on the R&M is 9 inches.  About what year is this fan?  I thought  1912 or somewhere around there.

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 Posted: Fri Nov 19th, 2010 11:50 pm
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Jeff Heinrich wrote: the blade size on the R&M is 9 inches.  About what year is this fan?  I thought  1912 or somewhere around there.After 1918 due to the steel cage. The earlier ones had brass cages, they were from 1915.

This is what the blade on your fan should look like.

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 Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2010 01:18 am
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Your R&M is c.1920. A photo showing the back of the motor might get the date closer.

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 Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2010 01:33 am
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Here is the back of the motor, Thank you for the info

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 Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2010 01:53 am
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Your fan looks like it needs a lot of work and parts.

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 Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2010 02:17 am
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Jeff, I don't see were you need any parts, the blade looks like it's spent it's life with that fan. I think all you really need to do is polish the brass a bit, clean'er up and put a new cord on her and she'll bring you maybe $30 - $40 on eBay. I've seen a lot worse look'en fans in a lot worse condition go for more then that on eBay. Granted we collectors here on this site don't wish to pay those sort of prices because some of us are look'en for a steal of a deal. If the truth be known on eBay you'll find all sorts who will pay more then we do here.

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 Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2010 03:45 am
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Jeff Heinrich wrote:
Here is the back of the motor
That's the old style oscillator wheel. I think the new style was patented around 1924 so I'll stick with c.1920 for your fan.

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 Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2010 06:34 am
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Steve Stephens wrote:
Jeff Heinrich wrote:
Here is the back of the motor
I think the new style was patented around 1924.


Filed 24...issued 26. More than likely on the fans in 24.

http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=sDxEAAAAEBAJ&dq=1576684

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 Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2010 06:48 am
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15 R&M ad.
http://books.google.com/books?id=T69JAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA21&dq=Robbins+%26+Myers+fans&hl=en&ei=I1XnTKS4BImVnAe78fGGDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCYQ6AEwADgy#v=onepage&q=Robbins%20%26%20Myers%20fans&f=false

16 R&M ad.
http://books.google.com/books?id=SKkvAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA50&dq=Robbins+%26+Myers+fan+motor&hl=en&ei=wVLnTKSaIdnhnQehyMT2DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Robbins%20%26%20Myers%20fan%20motor&f=false

18 R&M ad.
http://books.google.com/books?id=w0bZAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA1013&dq=Robbins+%26+Myers+fan+motor&hl=en&ei=wVLnTKSaIdnhnQehyMT2DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Robbins%20%26%20Myers%20fan%20motor&f=false

EMF 21 R&M
http://books.google.com/books?id=pf5MAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA266&dq=Robbins+%26+Myers+Desk+fan&hl=en&ei=x1rnTNj7Nc2nnAeI6dC3DQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CFMQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=Robbins%20%26%20Myers%20Desk%20fan&f=false

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Thanks Russ for reposting the R&M oscillator patent. I have it saved now.

Also interesting is the illustration (below) from the 1915 R&M ad. While they say it's the Model 11 (List 1153) the illustration is mostly an earlier (1911?) Westinghouse made R&M Style 151174. Starting in 1912? R&M made their own motor without start switch and used on the List 1153 and 1159 fans for the duration of their cast iron motors which probably ended in 1915 or 16 when the stamped steel motors were introduced.

Why do I say the illustration is of the early R&M gearback osc. made for probably only one year with a Westinghouse made motor? The extra vertical shaft from the gearbox top with the thrumnut on top. The curve to the "snout" at the front of the motor cover surrounding the motor shaft (more curved than the straight profile on the later R&M made motors). The thin oscillator wheel. The square back ring cage. R&M oscillator motors all used a round back ring cage. Maybe someone can spot another difference but that's what I see. The motor tag is located in the center of the motor like the later Model 11s instead of near the front of the motor as all the earlier models had including the Westy motor version.

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 Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2010 07:38 am
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The 1916 ad for the little 6" R&M is below. I've never seen one with this illlustrated early cage with no front ring. Has anyone?

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 Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2010 07:46 am
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Ron Powell wrote: Jeff, I don't see were you need any parts, the blade looks like it's spent it's life with that fan. I think all you really need to do is polish the brass a bit, clean'er up and put a new cord on her and she'll bring you maybe $30 - $40 on eBay. I've seen a lot worse look'en fans in a lot worse condition go for more then that on eBay. Granted we collectors here on this site don't wish to pay those sort of prices because some of us are look'en for a steal of a deal. If the truth be known on eBay you'll find all sorts who will pay more then we do here.
Are you positive about that? The only reason I bring this up is because every 2610 Robbins & Myers I have seen has the 5-wing brass blade. I have two of them, one with a steel cage and the other with a brass cage. I think the blade was replaced sometime in it's life. Either that or someone changed the tag, but I think that would be less likely.

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About a year or two ago one of those early cast iron R&M 1159s went for approximately $70 on ebay. We had a post on it. Why?........it had a 20s motor tag with 1159 stamped in it along with 3 R&M patent issue dates. The last patent issue date on that 1159 motor tag was of.......26. Yup Steveo...fact Jack....explain that one. :D

Psssst...Loren made mention on that post he felt a batch of them got left behind somewhere and later dumped on the market. Who knows.....h ell, they didn't have a legit fan related patent until the 20s. All R&M did before that was threaten they had something......"PATENTS PENDING". :D

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That fan sold for $46 in May 2008. Here's the motor tag. I suspect that R&M put the fan together as late as c.1926 to either use up leftover parts they didn't want or to fill an order for such a fan (maybe by someone influential in the company who knew that the 1159 was a much tougher fan than R&Ms current model at the time). It's a real oddball for sure.

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The "c.1926" 1159.

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 Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2010 08:04 am
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$46...I knew it was cheap...but didn't think it went that cheap. I remember wondering if the entire AFCA crew was out to lunch that day? :D

By the way Steveo...the cage was in the auction...it was shown off the fan. :up:

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 Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2010 08:07 am
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Russ Huber wrote:
By the way Steveo...the cage was in the auction...it was shown off the fan. :up:

Not fair....you edited your post. :D

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 Posted: Sat Nov 20th, 2010 08:55 am
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I edited my post as soon as I posted the photo with the cage way off to the left. I would love to see the cage badge used on it. The last of the cast iron R&Ms used the small, solid cage badge like the following stamped steel motors. I have both an 14040 and an 11590 with that cage/badge. For some reason R&M added a 0 or an O to the end of the later models. Are these all the ones with the felt base plate as I believe?

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Rob, Look closely at the photo, I would think if the blade had been replaced it would not of matched the fan well as far as patina and soil. And, just like some other fans that were produced by them, things change in time as what they use on them (the dreaded word Transitional). Some R&M tanks came with a square back cage rings some with round. Someone said at one time if memory serves me right, that some tanks came unbadged and of course we know most did. There's no way for us to really know what a manufacturer will do if short on parts or when over stock in old. I can't definitely say the fan came with that blade but I believe it did. I've found that there is NO POSITIVELY in this field.

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I've found that there is NO POSITIVELY in this field.
Couldn't have said it better myself!!:clap:

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Ron Powell wrote:
Some R&M tanks came with a square back cage rings some with round.
Hey Ron, That's correct depending upon what you define as an "R&M Tank". The Westy tank rebadged for R&M always(?) had a square back ring. The later R&M made non-osc. motor fan which I call an R&M R&M tank had a square back ring in the first year (1911 I think) but round after that. The R&M gearback oscilltor with the Westy made motor (1911?) had a square back ring cage but others, subsequent, had the round back ring and motors were not made by Westinghouse although they looked just like the Westy tanks. No starting switch in them and the motor tag does not say "made by owners of patents...".

Someone said at one time if memory serves me right, that some tanks came unbadged and of course we know most did.
Here I will have to agree to see things a different way: I've not seen an R&M after the earlier "STANDARD" DC models or early lollipops that did not, or should not, have a flag badge on the cage. I have seen the flag missing and have had several that way. Close inspection shows where the small dabs of solder were on the back inside of the center cage ring. The badge had gone adrift.

I would love to see some good evidence to the contrary. And, about the blade on Jeff's fan...you may well be correct. I don't know. Yes, things do often change in the specs of fans over time. We sure could use more info on the old R&Ms.

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Rob Duffy wrote: Jeff Heinrich wrote: the blade size on the R&M is 9 inches.  About what year is this fan?  I thought  1912 or somewhere around there.After 1918 due to the steel cage. The earlier ones had brass cages, they were from 1915.

This is what the blade on your fan should look like.

1916 & 17 stamp steel models had brass guards. 1918 electrical trade supports steel spot welded guards.  1915 is not validated.  Just got a call from a member in Texas in recent past with a 5 wing with brass guard. 








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