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Frank Bock Guest
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I'm a new collector looking for an unrestored 12" GE Pancake. Should be complete and hopefully has good stator windings. Thanks Frank Bock |
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Lewis Fitzgerald-Holland Guest 
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Frank Bock wrote:I'm a new collector looking for an unrestored 12" GE Pancake. Should be complete and hopefully has good stator windings. There are LOTS of variations, what type in particular are you looking for?  |
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Nicholas Denney Guest 
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Also depends on whether he gets his hands on a Lynn Works cake or a late 08... big price difference.  |
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Kim Frank AFCA Member 
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There have been quite a few on Ebay lately, both in restored and original condition, all fetching good prices. Come to a regional or national meet and I'm sure you'll find what you're looking. |
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Frank Bock Guest
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Hi Lewis Thanks for the reply. I'm not looking for the rare or pre 1900. 12", 1903 to 1906, BB/BC. Would also like it to have original parts and restorable. Good stator windings would be a big plus. Regards Frank Bock |
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Frank Bock Guest
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Hi Kim Thanks for the reply. Tried ebay and I seem to always lose by $10 (2nd highest bidder). Thanks Frank Bock |
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Steve Stephens Guest 
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Frank, a good switch and cage may be more important than a good stator. Switches are almost gold to find and pancake cages aren't floating around much either. You are not getting outbid by only $10 or so, that's just the bid increment on ebay that you are losing by. The winning bidder may have bid only a dollar or less MORE than you but, usually, it's a lot more than $10 MORE he bid. You just have to bid higher to win...if you can... And don't bid until the last 20 seconds or less. 5-10 seconds is better. |
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Ron Jeter Guest 
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Frank: I don't have anything to add - I just need to get my post count UP! |
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William Drabble Guest 
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I have to confess I have an addiction to pancakes. There not that rare but little can beat them for looks |
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Lewis Fitzgerald-Holland Guest
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William Drabble wrote:I have to confess I have an addiction to pancakes. There not that rare but little can beat them for looks they're beautiful machines. |
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Charlie Wicks AFCA Member 
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Frank, Here are 2 on ebay that you won't have to worry about loosing by $10 bucks.They are ebay#270726743173 and 270726739980.He calls them 1901's but that may just be the patent dates not sure what year they actually are.Just thought you might like a good laugh. |
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Darrell Mabile Guest
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Whats the average price of a not so rare ge pancake thats been fully restored?? |
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Erich Martin Guest 
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$350ish....if you are lucky |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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$550 ish?? I think $350 would only buy a decent unrestored 1906-07 pancake or a so-so restoration. "Fully restored" says to me a darn good restoration though many sellers look at a restoration as a quick paint and polish. I might be wrong but it seems that the original pancakes are often the ones that bring the higher prices. Then again most of the pancakes on ebay are unrestored or slightly refurbished. If you want authentic and a quality restoration you will probably be looking at a best price over $500 for a 1906-07. |
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Will Guidry AFCA Member 
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The man said "not-so-rare"....I agree with Denney....keep your eyes open and your money ready and you can get in for $350 these days......now once-upon-a-time in the "glory days" there was virtually no way. My $.02. Last edited on Sat Apr 2nd, 2011 12:54 pm by Will Guidry |
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Kim Frank AFCA Member
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I would say $500 is a good price to pay for any unrestored pancake that is complete, although I have found them for less. The stator is not usually a problem area with these fans, but just in case, a rewind is less than $200. The motors are single bearing and usually have some wear (check for vertical play on the shaft) and if bad enough will need replacement. That is an easy fix at around $15. The brass around the bearing housing, consists of an oil return and oil resevoir. Those can cost $110 to replace if missing. Struts can be made for around $15 each. A blade and cage can cost around $250 each to repop or about half that if you can find originals. Figure $150 for a replacement switch if you can find one and $75 for the speed coil from Sartron. The brass wing bolts are available for the trunnion cakes , as are the brass terminals and insulators for a good price. Now add $350 or more for quality paint work plus any polishing for the brass.......that hundred dollar stump might not seem the bargain. I would suggest going to a regional (the best place to find quality fans at good prices) and picking up a good complete cake and have some fun with it. Last edited on Sat Apr 2nd, 2011 01:10 pm by Kim Frank |
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Ralph Bliss Guest 
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"Whats the average price of a not so rare ge pancake thats been fully restored??" Erich Martin wrote: $350ish....if you are lucky Extremely lucky |
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Fred Berry Guest 
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Not to sound negative here, but if you want a pancake, you gotta pay to play. I have seen many potential cake owners who have champagne tastes with a beer wallet, resulting in they're being cake-less to this day. I sincerely hope you get your cake. They're fun fans and totally addicting, if any of Kim's collection photos indicate. |
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Fred Berry Guest
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Darrell Mabile wrote: Whats the average price of a not so rare ge pancake thats been fully restored?? I paid four grand for one of mine...no kidding. $350.00 is too low. |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member 
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Frank, I have a true story to tell you. Once upon a time a guy went into a very small antique shop. He walked into a small room to see a odd looking vintage pedestal fan that had a chrome base that looked like an ash tray. The dealer had $160.00 on that pedestal. He asked the dealer if he would consider $90 for the pedestal. The dealer stated he could not go that low on such a unique deco item such as that. So the guy decided to buy the filthy complete G.E. pancake he had on the shelf with no cord priced at $75. By the way, the guy asked the dealer if he would consider $55.00 for the cake? The dealer agreed to do so as long as the guy paid the tax. Now...your thinking to yourself.... can this happen to me? I say .....you bet it can. Good luck Frank. |
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Kim Frank AFCA Member
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Not so rare is good.....1904 and '05 are my favorites. They can usually be bought in the $500 +/- range unrestored and just look so purty when fixed up. Poor condition isn't a dealbreaker for me as much as a haggling point when buying them, although completeness is. I like 'em unrestored when in decent condition, without major spalling of rusted cast iron and such. Rare can be an ok investment but there isn't a whole lot of difference between rare GE cake and common GE cake visually. These are my favorites in my collection. While not restored or visually appealing, They are unusual in the sense that they are consecutively serial numbered. The one on the left was apart when pic was taken. Attached Image (viewed 1212 times): Last edited on Sat Apr 2nd, 2011 06:03 pm by Kim Frank |
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Ralph Bliss Guest
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Charlie Wicks wrote: Frank, looks like an 03 and a 05. Clearly not 1901 as the seller claims. I guess "seller" is not quite correct, as these will not sell. |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Maybe that "seller" (holder?) is smarter than we think. At least his prices give him top billing on the ebay page when you search for "highest price first". I put the part ribbed base one as a 1904 and the fully ribbed base as a 1905. Yes, that's what I think and we have discusses another probably fully ribbed 1905 pancake last month. It's GE using up old parts I think. |
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Ralph Bliss Guest
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Steve Stephens wrote: Maybe that "seller" (holder?) is smarter than we think. At least his prices give him top billing on the ebay page when you search for "highest price first". And the benefit of that would be? |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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If one sorts by "highest price first" he will see the sellers' pancakes first. In other words, the pancakes are not way down the list and out of sight. Really not of any advantage when the prices asked are so out of line. |
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Ralph Bliss Guest
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Steve, I know how sorting works. I've been selling on ebay sence 1998. I asked what would be the benefit. Answer: none. |
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Kim Frank AFCA Member
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Steve Stephens wrote: I put the part ribbed base one as a 1904 and the fully ribbed base as a 1905. Yes, that's what I think and we have discusses another probably fully ribbed 1905 pancake last month. It's GE using up old parts I think. It's whatever you want it to be to neatly explain any differences. Why would GE be using fully ribbed bases in 1905 when half ribbed bases came to be in 1903 and ran a full production year in 1904? Then....all of a sudden 1905 fans appear with fully ribbed bases......I'd say it's better explained if some old timer had a pile of parts and pieced it together. I could make that same model from parts in my shop and call it the Johnny Cash fan.....it's a 1903, 1904, 1905 GE fan. Last edited on Sat Apr 2nd, 2011 11:29 pm by Kim Frank |
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Doug Handley AFCA Member 
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I want to see the Johnny Cash fan when it is finished. |
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Ron Jeter Guest
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Kim: You must consider the source of info! |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Kim Frank wrote:Why would GE be using fully ribbed bases in 1905 when half ribbed bases came to be in 1903 and ran a full production year in 1904? Then....all of a sudden 1905 fans appear with fully ribbed bases......I'd say it's better explained if some old timer had a pile of parts and pieced it together. I could make that same model from parts in my shop and call it the Johnny Cash fan.....it's a 1903, 1904, 1905 GE fan. Too many mismatched parts on too original looking of a fan to seem to me to be a build up of stray parts. I'm talking about the ebay fan from last month or two that had great photos showing details. Why would GE make a pancake, Type UI Form F9 with a June 25, 1901 patent date on the tag? That's a 1900 model, right? 1901 would be a Type A_ Form A right? So how does a 1901 patent date get on a 1900 fan that appears completely original? Same as those two supposedly (according to Steve Stephens, Ron Jeter's favorite fan god and man to go for for good knowledge and worthwhile posts) 1905 fully ribbed base pancakes. GE was using up parts or made some special orders using up old parts. Or just let's guess a logical reason cause what I see is for real, especially on my 1900 model with the 1901 patent date. No question it's a 1900 model made in the last half of 1901. However, the serial number 181508 on that fan places it as being made in 1904. Anyone have an idea of how that fan came to be? A back switch, smooth motor that was made in 1904? GE did some things that do not compute if you are trying to compute from what they USUALLY did. |
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Ron Jeter Guest
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Steve: I don't see any info that F9 is a 1900 model -- A.R.Everest GE Report of July 9, 1900, and The AFCA GE survey does not cover the year 1900. Ole FanJesus do you have something in writing or is this your devine intervention. Unless you lived and worked at the GE factory in 1894 to 1908 NOone will really know what happened. But look on the positive side Steve, you are getting your post count up! |
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Ralph Bliss Guest
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Ron Jeter wrote: Unless you lived and worked at the GE factory in 1894 to 1908 NOone will really know what happened. This is what I think every time I see this discussion. |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Ron Jeter wrote:Steve: I don't see any info that F9 is a 1900 model -- A.R.Everest GE Report of July 9, 1900, and The AFCA GE survey does not cover the year 1900. Ole FanJesus do you have something in writing or is this your devine intervention. Unless you lived and worked at the GE factory in 1894 to 1908 NOone will really know what happened. But look on the positive side Steve, you are getting your post count up! Well ole Ron, I'm not sure why you are so fixated on my post count. It matters not a bit to me. I thought you had me on your "ignore member" list anyway. Wish you would do so. Have you ever heard of deduction? Try it some time and you will understand why Forms F9 and E9 are the two 12" pancakes from 1900. No idea why Don has overlooked that year on his survey. I've mentioned it to him and no response. Trying to communicate with you over the internet is not the easiest thing to do. Give me a rest with your snips at me and get on with your Q-tipping. |
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Ron Jeter Guest
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Steve: Please explain why you think these (E9 & F9) are 1900 models - what documentation do you have to prove this and please post it. Now that Deduckshion is where you have something and you take something away. |
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Kim Frank AFCA Member
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Hmmmmmmmm.................. Attached Image (viewed 1172 times): Last edited on Sun Apr 3rd, 2011 05:53 am by Kim Frank |
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Lewis Fitzgerald-Holland Guest
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I think the best way to some this up is something Ron Powell said a while ago, there is no "positively" in this field. |
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Darrell Mabile Guest
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Where is the closest big meet from louisiana?I enjoyed the meet at New Iberia and really like the ge round back I purchased from Doug. |
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Ron Jeter Guest
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There was one in Texas -- but on April 15, 16 - Hudson's meet in Aiken SC - always a good time and plenty of fans to buy/trade. Last edited on Sun Apr 3rd, 2011 06:15 am by Ron Jeter |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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Good Enough with its stacks pumping in 07. Probably somewhere in Skinecktedy in someones attic are some G.E. factory documents just waiting to see the light of day? Probably a few more pancakes in the attics as well.  Hang tight Frank... there is a pancake in your budget with your name on it out there.  Attached Image (viewed 1227 times): |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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The simple answer Ron is that the tags on my 1900 models are stamped F9 and E9 on stick (2) and trunnion (1) fans. We know that there are only two years of smooth motors (no vent holes like the '01 and later have) that also have 4 blade fans; 1899 and 1900. We also know that the 1899 has a top mounted grease cup while all later pancakes have a bottom mounted oiler. If my 1899 and 1900 models are all original and I think almost anyone would say they are, and the fans that I am saying are 1900 models have the bottom oil cup and larger back ring on the cage and a wrapped cage...well, 1900 is the only year left that those fans can belong to. |
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Ron Jeter Guest
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Steve: As I thought, you have nothing in writing/documents/photos to prove these facts, only speculation and hand-me-down info and can you furnish proof that your fans are original? |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Yes, I have a certificate of authenticity for all my fans from all the sellers I bought them from, or nearly all. I do believe you did not furnish me with a certificate with the fans I bought from you. Good Enough for me. Last edited on Sun Apr 3rd, 2011 06:50 am by Steve Stephens |
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Ron Jeter Guest
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Steve: I bet its like those coins, and stamps you get off the TV ads and they always have the same certificate -- Hey, would you be interested in buying some beach front property in Kansas and I will give you a certificate to prove it!!! Last edited on Sun Apr 3rd, 2011 06:53 am by Ron Jeter |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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I think my fan certificates are issued by the same company as for coins and beachfront Kansas property. They are legit, aren't they? Gee, I hope so as I have a lot invested in my fans. I'd hate to find out what I think is patina is really polish residue. |
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Ron Jeter Guest
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Problem Solved -- Steve: Let me know how many of these you need - going to the printers Tuesday. Attached Image (viewed 958 times): |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Oh, god, that's an ugly certificate. |
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Ron Jeter Guest
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Good Night STEVE. |
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Ralph Bliss Guest
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I have a suggestion. Agree to disagree. |
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Kim Frank AFCA Member
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Steve Stephens wrote: Why would GE make a pancake, Type UI Form F9 with a June 25, 1901 patent date on the tag? That's a 1900 model, right? 1901 would be a Type A_ Form A right? My 1900 trunnion is type UI form E9 with a no. 45111. Puts it squarely in the early part of 1900. Last patent date on tag is May 27, '90. My stickmount is type UI form F with a no. 132920, putting it late in the 1902 production run. Last patent date on tag is June 25, 1901. Both fans have the earmarks that make up a 1900 fan. No explaining it, but if I had to..........Aliens did it..... Hey Ron, I need thirty eight of those certificates and a letter of authenticity that my smooth base '99 belonged to Abe Lincoln....... Attached Image (viewed 811 times): Last edited on Sun Apr 3rd, 2011 06:45 pm by Kim Frank |
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Lewis Fitzgerald-Holland Guest
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Kim Frank wrote:Steve Stephens wrote:Why would GE make a pancake, Type UI Form F9 with a June 25, 1901 patent date on the tag? That's a 1900 model, right? 1901 would be a Type A_ Form A right?  , we'll just never know... |
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Louis Luu AFCA Member
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All this back and forth...lets stop the nonsense. Hand over the pancakes. Problem solved. I'll hold on to it until we all learn to get along. |
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Lewis Fitzgerald-Holland Guest
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Louis Luu wrote:All this back and forth...lets stop the nonsense. Hand over the pancakes. Problem solved. I'll hold on to it until we all learn to get along. No No No, I've got a better offer! I'll do that, AND pay for the shipping! |
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Louis Luu AFCA Member
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I can share, one for you, rest for me. |
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Lewis Fitzgerald-Holland Guest
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Louis Luu wrote:I can share, one for you, rest for me. hey, I'd settle for that, providing it's that partly ribbed trunnion I'm looking for! |
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Louis Luu AFCA Member
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Got that, need a fully ribbed trunnion...been looking for ages...okay...months. |
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Lewis Fitzgerald-Holland Guest
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I hope to find mine at fanfair! |
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Fred Hoy Guest
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Frank, I got an outstanding 1899 Pancake from the Fanman in Dallas, Tx. Not totally 100% restored but close enough for me. Phone is (214) 826-7700. Give him a call and see what he has. And tell him that Fred from Seattle referred you. Need all the brownie points I can get toward my next purchase from him. |
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Kim Frank AFCA Member
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After reading this thread, Frank has decided to look for anything but a GE pancake, preferrably with a good stator. |
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Fred Berry Guest
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Kim Frank wrote: After reading this thread, Frank has decided to look for anything but a GE pancake, preferrably with a good stator. Kim, I have some Emerson fans with great stators... Honestly, another pancake that I think looks cool is the 1907-1908 type with the strange looking motor that some here cal the "ugly motor". There is something totally neat the way these motors are made. Pancakes are great fans and fun to watch run! Edit: Forgot how to spell "pancake"...Problem solved, Vic Tinney Gyms, Inc... Last edited on Mon Apr 4th, 2011 04:51 pm by Fred Berry |
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Kim Frank AFCA Member
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I wouldn't wish an Emerson on Frank. We want him to be proud about the fans he collects, not hiding them in shame..... I would agree with you about the cakes. I like them all, but the base switched models are my favorites. Here's that 'ol ugly smooth cast model from 1907 that was the Aiken raffle fan two years ago...... Attached Image (viewed 869 times): |
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Adam Rohn Guest
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Fred Berry wrote:Darrell Mabile wrote:Whats the average price of a not so rare ge pancake thats been fully restored?? Four grand!  holy pancake batman! |
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Adam Rohn Guest
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Kim Frank wrote:I wouldn't wish an Emerson on Frank. We want him to be proud about the fans he collects, not hiding them in shame..... Kim, Emerson's aren't bad in my book. I owned and restored a 6250-D a while back and it was a great fan until I plugged it in one day and it shorted out on me for some reason. I repainted it Metalic Blue and it looked great. I couldn't figure out how to remove the motor in it so I couldn't find out what went wrong so I got rid of it. |
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Lewis Fitzgerald-Holland Guest
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NOOO! you shouldn't have gotten rid of it! someone could have fixed it, or at least parts... |
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Kim Frank AFCA Member
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Adam Rohn wrote:
Adam, I am so proud of you!!! If we can just get your restoration time on a GE fan under 5 years or 600 posts, I think you have the makings of a Fanman........... |
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