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 Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2012 04:11 am
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I don't think some new paints of today will still look as good as the old and tough black japan. The great thing about the japan on your fan is that it is ORIGINAL and is actually in quite good condition. Sure, it has some blemishes but you can fix that by filling in nicks and scratches and even some bare areas with paint. I once saw a Westy tank that looked as if it had been restored and restored (repainted) very expertly. Terry Fisher told me it was ORIGINAL paint but he had touched it up where needed. So, it can be done while saving the original paint and, better yet, the original japan.

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 Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2012 04:23 am
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LOL too funny yep get rid of all those fans with chips. They don't run well and are not worth anything, just send them to me and I'll get rid of them for ya. I know it's really a problem but it's the least I can do for ya. :violin:

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 Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2012 04:25 am
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hum... well there is another idea, how/what is Japan paint? Is it a process?

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 Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2012 04:35 am
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Mike Lackey wrote: hum... well there is another idea, how/what is Japan paint? Is it a process?

What type of paint is it? Where can I learn more about this Japan paint?

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 Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2012 05:56 am
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Mike I pieced this Emerson 21645 together from parts off of 3 different fans. The motor housing still has the original Japanning, the rest of the fan was painted using rattle can epoxy from Ace Hardware. If it was my fan I would accept Randys offer to fix the break and paint the base. Randy does an exceptional job repairing cast iron, I have a 1900 pancake that had a broken motor cover, Kim Frank restored it for me, Randy repaired the motor cover and it looks fantastic. You could still pick up an original base at a later date. 

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 Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2012 06:47 am
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Actually that does sound like the way to go. Working with the seller now and waiting to see where they stand. This Fan was not cheap so want to at least get what I paid for.
Hopefully by tomorrow I will have their answer.

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 Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2012 06:47 am
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Actually that does sound like the way to go. Working with the seller now and waiting to see where they stand. This Fan was not cheap so want to at least get what I paid for.
Hopefully by tomorrow I will have their answer.

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 Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2012 07:07 am
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Mike, there is some information about black japan on the internet and recipes to make it. I don't know anyone who does japan although one member was trying to get into doing it. Turns out that it's harder than he thought it would be to do.

You will see japan on all kinds of older cast iron from tools to other objects. It's very durable and quite thick giving a nice solid coating over the rough cast iron. Emerson, R&M, Westinghouse, and many other fan companies used japan on their cast iron motors. I don't think you are likely to find anyone doing japan on fans, at least not the quality job put on the originals. Too bad as it's a great coating.

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 Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2012 07:09 am
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Craig Glandon wrote: Mike I pieced this Emerson 21645 together from parts off of 3 different fans. The motor housing still has the original Japanning, the rest of the fan was painted using rattle can epoxy from Ace Hardware. If it was my fan I would accept Randys offer to fix the break and paint the base. Randy does an exceptional job repairing cast iron, I have a 1900 pancake that had a broken motor cover, Kim Frank restored it for me, Randy repaired the motor cover and it looks fantastic. You could still pick up an original base at a later date. 

VERY nice fan, hope I can get half that good when it's all said and over. Kudos!

 

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 Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2012 07:19 am
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Mike, for the fan base's AGE, it is in amazing condition. Nothing very old and original is perfect and it should never be expected.

Thanks for the compliment, Ron. :clap:

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 Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2012 02:57 pm
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Hey Mike, just do what the previous owner of my parts fan did. Just kidding!

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 Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2012 04:03 pm
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OMG!!!! WOW I guess they had a solution of their own :)LOL

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 Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2012 04:05 pm
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??? What should a R&M 1304 be worth in "used condition" verses refurbished

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 Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2012 04:25 pm
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Mark Behrend,

I've repaired stuff that was worse than your pic.

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 Posted: Wed Apr 25th, 2012 04:29 pm
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Randy Rohr wrote: Mark,

I've repaired stuff that was worse than your pic.

Randy

I'm might be coming to see you! Just waiting on the seller to see what they want to do.

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 Posted: Thu Apr 26th, 2012 05:44 pm
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Brazing cast iron is the only way to repair. JB weld will hold a loose piece in place, but will let go if you ever set the fan down on that area. I have brazed engine blocks cracked from freezing and are subject to vibrations unequal to anything a fan can generate, and it holds great. If you sell the fan down the road, there would never be a worry for breakage. If a replacement does turn up, have the old one brazed anyway for a spare. Its far from trash.

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 Posted: Thu Apr 26th, 2012 05:56 pm
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"Brazing cast iron is the only way to repair. JB weld will hold a loose piece in place, but will let go if you ever set the fan down on that area. I have brazed engine blocks cracked from freezing and are subject to vibrations unequal to anything a fan can generate, and it holds great. If you sell the fan down the road, there would never be a worry for breakage. If a replacement does turn up, have the old one brazed anyway for a spare. Its far from trash."


Larry,

There's a reason for this: BRAZING IS STRONGER THAN CAST IRON, at least the old impure stuff that our fans a made of.

Randy

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 Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2012 08:14 am
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I used an epoxy resin on this and its fine

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 Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2012 03:56 pm
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How does it look now?

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 Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2012 04:05 pm
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Craig Glandon wrote:
Mike I pieced this Emerson 21645 together from parts off of 3 different fans. The motor housing still has the original Japanning, the rest of the fan was painted using rattle can epoxy from Ace Hardware. If it was my fan I would accept Randys offer to fix the break and paint the base. Randy does an exceptional job repairing cast iron, I have a 1900 pancake that had a broken motor cover, Kim Frank restored it for me, Randy repaired the motor cover and it looks fantastic. You could still pick up an original base at a later date. 

This fan put together from three fans, question that base is it from a 16" fan?

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 Posted: Fri Apr 27th, 2012 04:08 pm
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Randy I tried your email address on your profile and it was returned. Can you email me with a good address. Thanks

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I have repaired several broken bases and cases with JB Weld and then applying an automotive fiberglass epoxy repair on the inside that overlaps the break. If you clean the metal properly and correctly apply the fiberclass cloth you will have a very strong repair. It may not be as strong as brazing but you will preserve the original finish on the paint.

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 Posted: Sun Apr 29th, 2012 02:01 am
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The closest you can come to original Japanning is to powder coat, and have it professionally done. Powder coating is extremely durable and it really does look like black Japanning. The PC will outlast most paints...

Fan on left is all original Japan while the fan on the right is professional powder coat to look and feel like Japanning.

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 Posted: Sun Apr 29th, 2012 03:33 am
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Those are really nice.
hum..... got me thinking?
Japanesy or Car paint or shake and bake spraycans :)

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 Posted: Sun Apr 29th, 2012 04:58 pm
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Mike Lackey wrote:
Here is a picture of the base
I feel really sorry for you. But you're still luckier than me, my broken piece is still missing, and I can't find it anywhere,therefore , I can't find any way to restore it.
I'm looking for a replacement for my broken part, if anyone has one to sell please contact me.




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 Posted: Sun Apr 29th, 2012 05:20 pm
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Ouch well I guess my story is not so bad huh?
Wow that will be hard to find.
Can anyone fabrix=cate a replacement or build a piece to replce that missing one?
Some steal, brazing, grinder and patience. ? I'm not a metal guy so have no clue but was just wondering>

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