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| A NOTICE FOR... Elli Buk Auction Apr 25-28 | Rating: 
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 02:44 am |
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Nicholas Denney Guest 
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"Elli Buk is legendary in the world of collectors who knew him as a self-made, prolific collector, curator and expert. His vast collection, assembled over a period of 40 years, reflects his passion for acquiring objects from our collective history of science and technology over the last two centuries. Encompassing over thirty specialty categories, the collection features a wide range of items from a rare Henry Fitz Telescope to the everyday hand cranked New England style sewing machine." http://www.groganco.com/BUKCOLLECTIONS.asp  examples: Lot 518: Early Perret motor  Lot 791: Early Riker motor  Last edited on Thu Apr 25th, 2013 02:49 am by Nicholas Denney |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 02:56 am |
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Ron Gibson Guest
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And those are of us who don't appreciate the heads up.....Thanks!
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 03:18 am |
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Steve Cunningham Administrator 
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I found he had a very early Diehl ceiling fan. We spoke about it. I soon realized I didn't want to spend the rest of my life negotiating with him over something he had no knowledge of. In the end my friend Chuck Abrrnathy not only got the part but fabricated the rest into a working fan.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 03:31 am |
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Richard Larson AFCA Member 
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Thanks for the heads up. I barely have time to read much anymore and I had no idea this was coming.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 03:45 am |
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Nicholas Denney Guest
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FYI, you can search the catalogue from this link by clicking the Catalogue button in the listing to see all the motors and other items available: http://www.groganco.com/upcoming.asp (There IS a Tesla and a handful of earlier cakes) Last edited on Thu Apr 25th, 2013 03:48 am by Nicholas Denney |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 03:56 am |
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Nicholas Denney Guest
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There is a buyer's premium of 20% and phone bids for the auction start at $500. This isn't anything like "E.B.B.S."
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 04:18 am |
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Nicholas Denney Guest
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My point is... like you already said; "everybody that knows already knows". The great number of people (haha) that will see my posting here will not be in a position to participate in the auction, and fewer still will bid. Maybe... one?
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 04:29 am |
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Steve Cunningham Administrator
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Good items. Reminds me of the 1994 Owl's Head Auction. If I were buying I'd go for the Manhattan #1, Manhattan #2, C&C with Wheeler's regulator, Perrett, and the dinner menu. It's hard to read all the signatures on the menu but two signers are Steinmetz and Elihu Thompson. Thanks for posting the auction.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 04:33 am |
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George Durbin AFCA Member 
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I appreciate the info. Im not buying but it is good to know. members should know this. Why not? I refuse to pay buyers premiums. That is robbery as far as I am concerned... Last edited on Thu Apr 25th, 2013 04:34 am by George Durbin |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 04:46 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest 
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I saw the two c.1901-03 pancakes. Where or how would I find the Tesla photo and any other pancakes Nick? This guy has a fabulous collection and the videos of all his stuff makes me wonder if antiques shops from 50 plus years ago had many items like he does.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 06:18 am |
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Mike Dombek Guest 
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That Tesla is missing the switch and obviously the cage too. Still a cool fan though.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 06:55 am |
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Nicholas Denney Guest
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Steve Stephens wrote:I saw the two c.1901-03 pancakes. Where or how would I find the Tesla photo and any other pancakes Nick? If you searched "fan" with the steps I described, you should have seen them all. cakes http://www.groganco.com/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=137++++++565+&refno=+++14474 tesla http://www.groganco.com/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=137++++++439+&refno=+++14750
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 07:10 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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I think I see the Tesla blade on the table and the cage behind looks like a Western Electric bipolar cage. The video of Buk's collection show two pancakes together and one is not in the photo the link with the three pancakes.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 07:27 am |
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Rod Rogers Administrator 
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I also appreciate information like this. It is informative, interesting and relevant to our hobby. In fact...I find it right down fascinating! Even tho I don't plan on participating, it's nice to look at and possibly follow the results. ~Sparky~
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 09:40 am |
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Troy Addy Guest 
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Their is something incorrect w/ almost all the fans. None are tested to run. Unless you have a deep parts cache it will cost you more to restore than to buy complete.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 09:46 am |
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Steve Cunningham Administrator
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As with any auction, what you see is what you buy. There is rarely an allowance for "buyer's remorse" at an auction. I was at an auction. One of the fans was very rare. The auctioneer knew it had some extensive restorations done. His prelude to selling that fan was like watching a barefoot ballerina dance on an asphalt blacktop in a Texas heat wave. To those of us who knew what the fan was, and how much restoration it required, we were content with it's originality.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 04:34 pm |
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Troy Addy Guest
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Steve my favorite auctioneer ploy is when the item has reached the fair market price. The the bidding has stopped, and then the auctioneer starts the song and dance. "You people need to take another look at what we are bidding on here" or one of my all time favorites, "for those of you bidding this is an investment in your future" Then someone finally raises their hand and the bidding takes off and it sells for way more than its worth.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 05:58 pm |
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Michael Rathberger Guest 
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Anyone who knows how to collect knows about the auction. Might I suggest a teaching tab for this site for people that don't know how? It's not anyone's job here to help people find items that might interest them, let them do it for themselves.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 06:46 pm |
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Tom Dreesen AFCA Member 
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Michael Rathberger wrote: Anyone who knows how to collect knows about the auction. +1
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 06:48 pm |
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Ron Gibson Guest
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Who has claimed it is anyone's job? Most clubs freely share info....
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 06:58 pm |
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Troy Addy Guest
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+2 Tom, one of the Ebay Boy Scouts apparently was bored and contacted the auction to assist them. How I know is I asked a question about one of the fans and the answer was verbatim what has been posted on here as a observation. Last edited on Thu Apr 25th, 2013 07:12 pm by Troy Addy |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 06:58 pm |
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Mike Dombek Guest
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Tom Dreesen wrote:Michael Rathberger wrote:Anyone who knows how to collect knows about the auction. +2 This auction could have been discussed and appreciated after the bidding was over. I'm sure the original poster had no intention of bidding or this thread would not have been started. Plain and simple these type of posts just drive the price up.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 07:16 pm |
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Tom Dreesen AFCA Member
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Ron Gibson wrote: Who has claimed it is anyone's job? Be sure to post, freely, what you plan to bid on.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 07:20 pm |
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Troy Addy Guest
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So Ron, if a dealer has a fan in a shop YOU want to buy you would share the location "freely" w/ the club members? Last edited on Thu Apr 25th, 2013 07:21 pm by Troy Addy |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 07:29 pm |
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Mike Dombek Guest
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Nicholas Denney wrote:My point is... like you already said; "everybody that knows already knows". The great number of people (haha) that will see my posting here will not be in a position to participate in the auction, and fewer still will bid. Maybe... one? Is this a joke or are you on the auction house payroll? Lets see what the staghorn goes for this weekend when this thread has 600 TARGET AUDIENCE views. Last edited on Thu Apr 25th, 2013 07:33 pm by Mike Dombek |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 07:30 pm |
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Troy Addy Guest
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Telling everyone here about the auction won't affect the price? Assisting someone on escrew by saying add the words "pancake- to your auction listing you will get more $$$$$" Advertising 101 1. Identify & target your buyer 2. Notify as many people as possible 3. Describe item to sound appealing Seems to me we have done their marketing job for them. Thanx. for helping us "boyscouts" Last edited on Thu Apr 25th, 2013 07:39 pm by Troy Addy |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 08:29 pm |
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Ron Gibson Guest
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Troy Addy wrote:So Ron, if a dealer has a fan in a shop YOU want to buy you would share the location "freely" w/ the club members? No, I'd buy it....what would you do? If I wasn't interested or it was to rich for my blood I'd let everyone know about it. Or should I keep quite just in case another member might be wanting to buy it? How many calls took place making others aware of this auction? I know of at least two people that called several members about items in the auction. Should they have kept their mouth shut?
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 08:34 pm |
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Tom Dreesen AFCA Member
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Ron Gibson wrote: Troy Addy wrote: A one time fixed price item available to the first with the bucks is not the same as an auction. Anyone can say to anyone else whatever they want. There is a difference between private conversation and public posting.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 08:37 pm |
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Michael Rathberger Guest
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Ron Gibson wrote: Troy Addy wrote: That's part of the collecting art Ron, networking. I have seen auctions with fans I cannot get to in my hunting grounds that I clue a person I know in the area up about, but if I'm heading out to it, I say nothing. I expect the same to happen in reverse.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 08:40 pm |
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Ron Gibson Guest
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Michael Rathberger wrote:Ron Gibson wrote:Troy Addy wrote: And is this site not part of networking? How many people is it ok to let in on the "secret" before that imaginary line is crossed? 1, 2, 10, 12?
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 08:44 pm |
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Ron Gibson Guest
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Tom Dreesen wrote:Ron Gibson wrote:Troy Addy wrote: So had Nick taken the time to tell 10 people in private and they told 10 people in private, etc you wouldn't be bothered? How about had it been posted in the members only section? How many private conversations are allowed before that line is crossed? Last edited on Thu Apr 25th, 2013 08:45 pm by Ron Gibson |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 08:49 pm |
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Tom Dreesen AFCA Member
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Ron Gibson wrote: Tom Dreesen wrote: Nick is late to the party. If you can't understand the difference between private conversation and public posting, then I can't help you.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 08:53 pm |
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Ron Gibson Guest
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These are just a few of the sites advertising the auction....I probably shouldn't mention auction zip as I use it quite often to find auctions. http://www.dailynewstranscript.com/x1148864748/Elli-Buk-Collection-to-be-auctioned-off#axzz2RUitHfkI http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=2&int_new=61701#.UXleQ4y9KSM http://www.artfixdaily.com/calendar/details/5276-the-elli-buk-collection-exhibition-and-auction http://www.auctionzip.com/Listings/1761742.html http://www.liveauctioneers.com/catalog/39506_the-elli-buk-collection-day-2/page1
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 08:54 pm |
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Steve Cunningham Administrator
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I've traveled distances to attend auctions. I walk in and everybody is there. I did attend a clock auction once. Everyone knew it was happening. But the ads came out after the auction. They held it 75 mikes south of Houston, on Super Bowl Sunday. A few of us showed up. I got a nice clock for very little. There was a fan auction in 1998 or 1999 just outside Kansas City. It was advertised. The fan club members came. Each got a fan they wanted. They were still bidding against the locals. The Owl's Head Auctions were held in Owl's Head, Maine. I flew to Boston, then took a prop to Portland, and drove to the Auction. They had about 600 buyers there, and who knows how many more on the phone. The Internet was in it's infancy then, so no on-line bidding. They sold 900 items in one day in 1994. We went back in 1997. They had a couple of USEL motors, and I wanted one. A man named Sandy Weill showed up. He was Chairman of Citibank, and bidder #150. Someone had helped him decide what was best and marked his catalog. If he wanted it, he just held up his number ti they said "Sold!" I think he bought 65% of the auction. I hope someone like that doesn't come to Conneticutt.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 08:59 pm |
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Ron Gibson Guest
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Tom Dreesen wrote:Ron Gibson wrote:Tom Dreesen wrote: Oh I understand the difference but disagree with the affect. As I pointed out in my above post, there are many many public postings. Can you honestly say with all the deep pockets that are already aware Nick's posting is going to make a difference? I don't think it will.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 09:02 pm |
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Tom Dreesen AFCA Member
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Ron Gibson wrote: These are just a few of the sites advertising the auction....I probably shouldn't mention auction zip as I use it quite often to find auctions. You have a point? In one of my now deleted posts, I said it was a well advertised auction and anyone who wanted to know, knew. So why again post it here?
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 09:05 pm |
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Tom Dreesen AFCA Member
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Ron Gibson wrote: Tom Dreesen wrote: I know it can. I know of specific instances. And no, I won't post them here. You can dis-believe whatever you want.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 09:12 pm |
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Troy Addy Guest
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Ron its a concept. If you are a buyer or a bidder you don't tell everyone you know. Sure auctions are advertised vs. a store or a private sale. If you plan to bid or buy from a person you don't post the details. Clearly this is all concept w/ no reality to you because you are not personally invested.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 09:14 pm |
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Michael Rathberger Guest
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Ron Gibson wrote: Michael Rathberger wrote: I view this site more as an information source about fans, I don't come here to find out where they are, and if this post makes sense to you, so be it. It won't be long before every farm auction with a fan in it is posted prior to auction day, then you can pay ebay prices everywhere. Last edited on Thu Apr 25th, 2013 09:29 pm by Michael Rathberger |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 09:54 pm |
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Stephen Davis Guest 
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I won't post a link to an auction bill. The times I've found cool fans at auctions I can't attend, I've looked through the membership directory and forwarded the link to whoever was closest to the auction. It's tough enough to score any sort of deals with all the ebayers and resellers out there, and I don't like the idea of a bunch of members running the prices up on each other. I've PM'd several links to members I've never met and had never chatted with on posts or PM's. I'd rather one member get the opportunity to get a deal; everyone likes a bargain. I guess if someone really feels like sharing an auction link with all the other collectors, I would suggest that at least it be posted in the members only section to limit the information to the collectors who support the AFCA.
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