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| A NOTICE FOR... Elli Buk Auction Apr 25-28 | Rating: 
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 10:04 pm |
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Tom Dreesen AFCA Member 
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Ron Gibson wrote: These are just a few of the sites advertising the auction....I probably shouldn't mention auction zip as I use it quite often to find auctions. And not a single one mentions fans (without searching the auctionzip or LA listings) So just how did you miss this auction again? Last edited on Thu Apr 25th, 2013 11:24 pm by Tom Dreesen |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 11:36 pm |
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Ron Gibson Guest
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Tom Dreesen wrote:Ron Gibson wrote:These are just a few of the sites advertising the auction....I probably shouldn't mention auction zip as I use it quite often to find auctions. And Nick's original post didn't mention fans either. So is that the prerequisite? Don't mention the fans? Not until people started whining did he mention fans, of course several of those posts have been deleted. I didn't miss finding the auction, I wasn't looking. Work has been extremely busy so I have not been following hardly any auctions, eBay or otherwise.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25th, 2013 11:51 pm |
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Tom Dreesen AFCA Member
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Ron Gibson wrote: Tom Dreesen wrote: Posted in a fan forum CHECK Prob contains fans CHECK So you thank him for something you didn't care about anyway. I see (said the blind man to the deaf mute). Last edited on Thu Apr 25th, 2013 11:58 pm by Tom Dreesen |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26th, 2013 12:10 am |
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Ron Gibson Guest
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Tom Dreesen wrote:Ron Gibson wrote:Tom Dreesen wrote: Even you said Nick was late to the party.....so if he was late, what's it matter? I never said I didn't care, I said I didn't have time....quite an assumption.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26th, 2013 12:30 am |
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Tom Dreesen AFCA Member
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"I wasn't looking." is what you said. "so if he was late, what's it matter?" Late in terms of the party, but still before the auction started. Think that might matter a teensy bit?
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26th, 2013 12:46 am |
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Rod Rogers Administrator 
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Bottom line...... The AFCA, its moderators, members nor guests have the right to prohibit posts sharing information about interesting and legitimate auctions that relate to fans. Live and let live! Rod Rogers
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26th, 2013 12:51 am |
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Tom Dreesen AFCA Member
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Rod Rogers wrote: Bottom line...... Not yet. Tomorrow is another day. We already prohibit non members from posting their auctions ... But if you can find a Boy Scout member ... Last edited on Fri Apr 26th, 2013 02:51 am by Tom Dreesen |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26th, 2013 01:33 am |
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Steve Cunningham Administrator 
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I hope any bidders from the AFCA come home with something good. If you do, let us know. If you think we should know.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26th, 2013 01:46 am |
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Steve Sherwood AFCA Member 
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It does not matter much if it's posted on here, it's a big auction with lots of antique items and prices will be extremely high for anything at that auction. There will be some big spenders at this auction with deep pockets for sure and they will buy at any price.Even those old dental chairs will probably bring high dollar amounts and in my opinion the are only worth there scrap price. Those are not even the good ones.It's a big auction in the north east and big money will be there. Good luck getting a deal on anything. Last edited on Fri Apr 26th, 2013 01:50 am by Steve Sherwood |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26th, 2013 03:31 am |
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Mike Dombek Guest 
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Stephen Davis wrote:I won't post a link to an auction bill. The times I've found cool fans at auctions I can't attend, I've looked through the membership directory and forwarded the link to whoever was closest to the auction. It's tough enough to score any sort of deals with all the ebayers and resellers out there, and I don't like the idea of a bunch of members running the prices up on each other. I've PM'd several links to members I've never met and had never chatted with on posts or PM's. I'd rather one member get the opportunity to get a deal; everyone likes a bargain. I guess if someone really feels like sharing an auction link with all the other collectors, I would suggest that at least it be posted in the members only section to limit the information to the collectors who support the AFCA. I couldn't agree more. The fans that sold at the buk auction today almost went for eBay prices anyway and they were untested. Oh well
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26th, 2013 04:08 am |
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Nicholas Denney Guest 
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Mike Dombek wrote:
Almost...? Put the cage and oiler from the middle fan on the left fan and you've got your $1000 right there, if you want to talk "ebay prices". I expected more like $1500 for this lot: http://www.groganco.com/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=137++++++565+&refno=+++14474 
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26th, 2013 04:10 am |
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Tom Dreesen AFCA Member
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Nicholas Denney wrote: Mike Dombek wrote: Boy Scouts have expectations? Who knew?
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26th, 2013 04:50 am |
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Mike Dombek Guest
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That left fan has the oiler. But either way after the premium and tax your 1300 or so. The half rib is missing the switch which makes me wonder if the coil is gone too. Wonder if the flat ribs have intact or present switches/internals. So maybe not ebay prices but by no means a screaming deal, unless you have the parts then the buyer stands to make a grand or better. I was in at $800 so maybe I am just bitter haha. And I would have won it to if it wasn't for this pesky thread!  Last edited on Fri Apr 26th, 2013 04:53 am by Mike Dombek |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26th, 2013 05:03 am |
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John Rothrock Guest 
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Mike Dombek wrote:That left fan has the oiler. But either way after the premium and tax your 1300 or so. Yeah that's what I was thinking, that pesky buyer's premium, gotta figure it in when you set your number
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26th, 2013 06:39 am |
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Tim Marks Guest
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Tom Dreesen wrote:
Ok, we know you don't like Nick. Can you give us a break though? This whole thread has gotten way bigger than it ever needed to be (and would have been even bigger had the mods not deleted half the posts) because you are not letting this subject go. You're not doing yourself any favors of avoiding attention for the auction by replying to this thread all the time. Respectfully, let it go. T
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26th, 2013 07:49 am |
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George Durbin AFCA Member 
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Mike Dombek wrote:Nicholas Denney wrote: I am interested in what the staghorn sells for! I have a nice little staghorn I am thinking about selling and offering to club members first, but I want a current reference point to go buy. If anyone finds out let me know... How does one get to completed sales in e-pay? geo...
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26th, 2013 07:57 am |
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Ron May AFCA Member 
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I saw your Staghorn George. They're only worth $10 to $20 tops. I'll be a nice guy and offer you a full $25 plus shipping to take that thing off your hands and make some room on your shelf!!
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26th, 2013 08:05 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest 
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George Durbin wrote:Mike Dombek wrote: |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26th, 2013 08:10 am |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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Ron May wrote:I saw your Staghorn George. They're only worth $10 to $20 tops. I'll be a nice guy and offer you a full $25 plus shipping to take that thing off your hands and make some room on your shelf!! Heheh BEST OFFER SO FAR!!! I am kidding!!!!!! If I decide to sell it I will set a price as per forum rules... But dang $25 and you pay for shipping? That is generous!!
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26th, 2013 08:11 am |
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Ron May AFCA Member
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Seriously, I'll be looking for that one if you sell it. I've always liked those!
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26th, 2013 08:14 am |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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Steve Stephens wrote:George Durbin wrote: |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26th, 2013 08:30 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Ebay is always changing their pages so what was there is now elsewhere.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 26th, 2013 03:48 pm |
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Mike Dombek Guest
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Didn't a member just have a staghorn for sale? Tab foot oscillator if I remember...$900
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| Posted: Sat Apr 27th, 2013 07:29 am |
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Michael Mirin AFCA Member 
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How About a Movie! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BUpF__h-IY&list=FLEPkfDB0cRJ-7nvt4QFtX_g
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| Posted: Sun Apr 28th, 2013 05:31 pm |
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John Trier AFCA Member 
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Auction stories: Steve ...... I was at the Kansas City auction you referred to. The most memorable and fun auction ever. Geoff, Loyd Davis, many other afca members were there hooting it up. We stayed out of each others way from time to time and bid against each other too. Never had so much fun at an auction in my life. I had the privilege in buying the feather vane for another member who could not attend. Couldn't get the blade off and successfully shipped it crated with blade attached. We were buying fans in the parking lot after the auction too. Another in Winterset where a Perret motor sold and I bid against Loyd Davis and lost. Loyd knew I was bidding and afterwards all but gave me a hug. Concerning the Elli Buk auction. In other areas, very important and rare items sold for pennies on the dollar. I can't explain it on such a well advertised auction.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 28th, 2013 06:25 pm |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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was ttere a staghorn fan at the auction?
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| Posted: Sun Apr 28th, 2013 06:33 pm |
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John Rothrock Guest
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John, I think their mistake might have been flooding the market with too much at one time. I think (and hindsight is 20/20) that they should have split it into 2 separate auctions several months apart. They would still have had huge auctions that drew attention from afar. A lot of things didn't seem to reach their auction estimates, and the high buyer's premium may have been part of the cause, buyer's premium where I'm from is always 10% and I have never paid sales tax in NC either. But really I think they flooded the market the example I would point to was the microscopes--They had maybe 150 of them, even if you had 20 hardcore microscope guys in attendance, they can all take home 7-8 without getting into wars with each other. It's hard to go all in on something when you know there are 100+ still to be sold. I'm sure the best ones still brought good money, but the rest would bring less. Same thing with all the medical equip, even if you're buying to resell, you can't get overloaded with too much of the same stuff. Would really like to have seen this stuff in person--Glad to see Nick didn't drive up the prices too much---Remember the final auction price comes down to 2 people--they're the only ones that really matter in the end.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 28th, 2013 08:38 pm |
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Tom Dreesen AFCA Member
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The Westy bipolar fan stump, listed only as a "motor", went for $1,600 without adding on the 23% buyer's premium or the mandatory 6+ sales tax, even with a resale license (yes, I have one).
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| Posted: Sun Apr 28th, 2013 09:47 pm |
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Steve Cunningham Administrator
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The Tab Base Menominee went for hammer price of $700,
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29th, 2013 01:48 am |
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Jeff Whitfield AFCA Member 
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Tom Dreesen wrote:The Westy bipolar fan stump, listed only as a "motor", went for $1,600 without adding on the 23% buyer's premium or the mandatory 6+ sales tax, even with a resale license (yes, I have one). Look over in the background of Lot 439. Behind the Tesla and R&M is what looks like the cage for a Western Electric bipolar fan. It wouldn't surprise me if the Westy's blade was in the pile. http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/16961810_westing-house-and-robbins-and-myers-fans-two-fans-one
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29th, 2013 02:01 am |
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Tom Dreesen AFCA Member
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Jeff Whitfield wrote: Tom Dreesen wrote: Yes, but you would have to be there and talk them into it. I have done such before at auctions, but I was a good customer. It is nice, but 1600 plus fees complete is no bargain.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29th, 2013 03:33 am |
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John Trier AFCA Member
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John Rothrock wrote:John, I think their mistake might have been flooding the market with too much at one time. I think (and hindsight is 20/20) that they should have split it into 2 separate auctions several months apart. They would still have had huge auctions that drew attention from afar. A lot of things didn't seem to reach their auction estimates, and the high buyer's premium may have been part of the cause, buyer's premium where I'm from is always 10% and I have never paid sales tax in NC either. But really I think they flooded the market the example I would point to was the microscopes--They had maybe 150 of them, even if you had 20 hardcore microscope guys in attendance, they can all take home 7-8 without getting into wars with each other. It's hard to go all in on something when you know there are 100+ still to be sold. I'm sure the best ones still brought good money, but the rest would bring less. Same thing with all the medical equip, even if you're buying to resell, you can't get overloaded with too much of the same stuff. Would really like to have seen this stuff in person--Glad to see Nick didn't drive up the prices too much---Remember the final auction price comes down to 2 people--they're the only ones that really matter in the end. Yes .... very true. But there was a microscope marked double pillared microscope by Bulloch. This is the holy grail of american made microscopes. 7K was an absolute steal and I don't get it since microscopes are particularly hot right now and this was so well advertised. A much lesser Bulloch model sold for $8600 on ebay a few months ago. All this makes one re think our collections as we eventually take up the rocking chair and prepare for the journey to the Grey Havens.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29th, 2013 03:56 am |
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Tim Marks Guest
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John Trier wrote:All this makes one re think our collections as we eventually take up the rocking chair and prepare for the journey to the Grey Havens. Curious, what are you re-thinking? How valuable the fans are?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29th, 2013 06:28 am |
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John Trier AFCA Member
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No..... an exit strategy, we know what our stuff is worth. We are only custodians for a short time on what ever we collect. As we invest in this stuff, especially higher end pieces, I'd hate to see what happened to items like the one I mentioned above. This auction has potentially shown me what not to do. I rarely met a family that both people are insanely obsessed with collecting the same thing. It is usually the man supported by a loving wife. As it is in my case. But how will our stuff will be treated or disposed of in order to best benefit those that survive me? This particular auction was a huge collection. I know some about microscopes, and they were very good american made examples that almost never come up for sale, a few have never come up for a competitive sale, and they went dirt cheap, in a time when it's pretty easy to get a good fair market value. This auction escaped no serious collector or dealer. I talked to one dealer who is also in shock. None of us want to buy a Tesla for $2500 and sell it for $500, and some collectors have a lot of fans (or what ever) to consider.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29th, 2013 06:33 am |
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Tim Marks Guest
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John- Your post above makes a lot of sense. I've been involved with a lot of hobbies involving collectibles and I've got to be honest: at the end of the day if the collector passes away with a large collection still in his position, the estate does not reap a fair value from it when it's inevitably sold at auction. Honestly I'm not a huge fan of the "horde" style collections. I think it's better to pass them on to friends, children and other collectors prior to any impending demise. I know that I'd hate to leave my fiance with my collection if I had the good fortunate of being able to plan for my own demise. Selling or auctioning a huge collection of what-have-you is just too much work for someone who really shouldn't have to be dealing with so much grief. I don't know, just thinking out loud. T Last edited on Mon Apr 29th, 2013 06:35 am by Tim Marks |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29th, 2013 06:55 am |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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Unless my demise is sudden I will not leave it to my wife to sell it off... I have witnessed in my own family this issue. Generally the misses is simply overwhelmed with a collection and usually given horrible advice as how to dispose of it. And many times the family members just don't know what its worth... I joke around that he who dies with the most fans is the winner! Not really! But I am trying!
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