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| Posted: Fri Jul 12th, 2013 11:49 pm |
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Benjamin Fox Guest 
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As a continuation of my annual summer fan frenzy, I drove an hour last night to go pick up a GE off craigslist. It is a roundback and is missing the wheel, link arm, and screws. I also believe it needs a gear inside. The badge is also missing and I would be interested in a badge or a whole cage. Also. For the last several years I have been in search of a 16 inch blade for an R&M gearback, and the oscillator wheel for that fan. And then there's the parts I need for my GE collar oscillator.... And the R&M flag..... I am proficient enough in the machine shop where I could make either of the wheels if I had one to go off of. Or a rough print. I just can't do gears yet... Maybe make a couple wheels and give the other as payment for the info. I know this is a tall order, but I've heard and seen amazing things over the years and I at least have to ask. I don't have much into any of the fans yet and am willing to pay fairly. Attached Image (viewed 692 times): Last edited on Fri Jul 12th, 2013 11:52 pm by Benjamin Fox |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13th, 2013 01:59 am |
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Tim Marks Guest
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I'm looking forward to seeing if anyone chimes in with help. Roundbacks seem to be one of the more rare oscillators, up there with collars maybe but more common than sidewinders? I think for the parts you're going to have to make them on your own. I have a roundback being shipped to me sometime shortly so can draft the parts sometime after I get it so that you can machine them.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13th, 2013 03:08 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest 
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There are two variations of the round back. I assume the first is the one with brass oscillating wheel and about 4 holes in the bottom where the shoulder screw goes to change the degree of oscillation. Then there is what I would think is the later one with a pot metal oscillator wheel and a brass thumbscrew that allows different oscillation arcs to be set. I guess you can pick your flavor and make the parts. Or are there other differences between the two models?
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13th, 2013 03:25 am |
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Tony Clayton Guest 
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Likely not what you expect from a Westinghouse guy but I rescued one of these months ago. My very first GE fan. I liked it so much I decided to not sell it off just sit on her til I find the MIA parts ...........mine too is in need of a gear in the oscillator, plus I need a cage and struts. I can post photos of they would be of any assistance Benjamin
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13th, 2013 03:58 am |
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Nicholas Denney Guest 
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Tim Marks wrote: Roundbacks seem to be one of the more rare oscillators, up there with collars maybe but more common than sidewinders? I've seen a lot more collars on here than roundbacks, but there may be a bias there because the collar has a lot more "interest"... the roundback just has a differently-shaped gearcase. I'd consider the 12" roundbacks as being a lot less common than the 8/9/10 inch ones, as far as I've seen them come up. They were not put on the 16" fans, FYI.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13th, 2013 04:55 am |
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Tim Marks Guest
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Nick- Don't all 8/9" GE oscillating fans have a round back? I don't think any of those (with the exception of the all brass oscillator) are particularly rare at all. You're right though, a collar may be more common or less common, I really have no idea. I've been waiting a while to pick up my round back, looking forward to receiving it. They're rare, but not desirable or expensive at all. Collar's strike me as a cooler fan, the roundback was one I had to check off the list in my GE collection. Good to know they didn't make a 16" round back, was the loop handle 16" kidney offered that year instead? T
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13th, 2013 07:54 am |
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Benjamin Fox Guest
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I have a 16 inch collar but have never found it to be really that attractive... I really enjoyvthe lines of the roundback. Nick was the first one to mention it was rare, or that it even had a nickname- Someday if I ever have the chance to buy gears for it it will be nice to polish the collar up though for display; it was definitely an impressive design. I always assume that mechanism went hand in hand with the coin ops being all enclosed and easy to operate in the fashion if most public operated things. Steve do you know how I could determine which mechanism this fan had? Maybe the serial number would help? Surely I'll be relegated to just makin the simpler of the two wheels though the one on there appears to be pot metal making me think it was he adjustable one. Someone should have a cage for it though, if I am right in assuming it is similar to those on the other 12 inch fans of the period. I just always wish there was a better way to find parts... The BST is inevitably full or more askers than offerers in that dept. ! And rightly so given the fact we're all trying to find parts that all broke for the same reasons-
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13th, 2013 08:17 am |
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Nicholas Denney Guest
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Tim Marks wrote: Nick- Don't all 8/9" GE oscillating fans have a round back? I don't think any of those (with the exception of the all brass oscillator) are particularly rare at all. Sorry Tim, you're right. When I was making the post I was thinking about that, but I was also thinking that there were "the" roundbacks and then there was a tweaked version later on that we see most of. Yes, a 16" kidney that year took its place. Steve made a post awhile ago explaining it.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13th, 2013 08:42 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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The cage for the roundback is the same parallel ring cage as on the small motor yoke and without the painted cage badge; it's still gilt like earlier cage badges. I don't know about serial numbers although mine is of the later design with pot metal oscillator wheel and serial no. 915965. Does your fan have a Form letter on the motor tag? Mine does not but I think I have seen some with a Form P which is the Form that the roundback was. 1913 is the year. Collar was 1914 and Form Q
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13th, 2013 09:34 am |
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Benjamin Fox Guest
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Where is the form letter? Here's the tag. In the lower left corner there is an "N.P. G252" if that is anything. Serial is 917255 if you can't read it quite. No paper tag remnants to speak of on the bottom cover. Attached Image (viewed 666 times):
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13th, 2013 10:33 am |
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Nicholas Denney Guest
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Ben, no Forms on GE fans from 1905 to 1912/13. Catalog numbers were introduced when Form designation came into use again. The only means of ID is the serial of the fan. We don't know the significance of N.P. yet. http://www.fancollectors.org/info/mbr/geform.htm
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13th, 2013 03:34 pm |
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Darryl Hudson AFCA Member 
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I've got the R&M gearback parts if you still need them. Attached Image (viewed 621 times): Last edited on Sat Jul 13th, 2013 03:59 pm by Darryl Hudson |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13th, 2013 03:38 pm |
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Tony Clayton Guest
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oops Last edited on Sat Jul 13th, 2013 03:41 pm by Tony Clayton |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 13th, 2013 06:29 pm |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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With your ser. no. being higher than mine I would think the fan would have had the pot metal wheel. Below is a SMY Form P with a still higher serial no. so the Form letter must have been added in late 1914 or 15 as the SMY was made 1913-15 while the roundback only ofr 1913. NP, as far as I know, probably stands for 'name plate' and is only something like an inventory number or order number for a batch of name plates. No significance to a collector. Attached Image (viewed 614 times):
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| Posted: Sun Jul 14th, 2013 05:52 am |
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Mike Dombek Guest 
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I have this, if you want it pm me.  
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15th, 2013 04:41 am |
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Benjamin Fox Guest
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PM sent Mike. Darryl ill check your site and call/email this week. Thanks for your help! Steve the pot metal wheel it is- Last edited on Mon Jul 15th, 2013 04:42 am by Benjamin Fox |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15th, 2013 04:57 am |
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Benjamin Fox Guest
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This thing followed me home now too. Might be in the market for a parts 16 inch vorty... Living on my own is starting to result in a lot of time to scour the country for cheap old stuff Attached Image (viewed 543 times):
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 12:43 am |
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Tony Clayton Guest
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Let see what this brings. Are the parts from this GE fan and the Hunter any at all interchangeable? Attached Image (viewed 542 times):
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 05:13 am |
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Tim Marks Guest
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Tony- the Hunter and GE round backs are the same fan and all parts should be 100% interchangeable. T
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 05:38 am |
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Nicholas Denney Guest
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Tim Marks wrote: Tony- the Hunter and GE round backs are the same fan and all parts should be 100% interchangeable. Close, but no. I'll give you one... look at the blade. 
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 05:58 am |
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Tim Marks Guest
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Nicholas Denney wrote: Tim Marks wrote:Tony- the Hunter and GE round backs are the same fan and all parts should be 100% interchangeable. WOW! Did not see that until you pointed it out. Is this true of all hunter fans or just this roundback? I have a hunter four-blade kidney and it has a three-rivet hub. T
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 06:10 am |
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Nicholas Denney Guest
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Tim Marks wrote:
As far as I know, it's very mixed, so I'd be very careful about parts-swapping. I believe the Hunter GEs also use standard threads where there are "GE threads" on the GE badged fans.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 07:27 am |
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Tim Marks Guest
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Nicholas Denney wrote:As far as I know, it's very mixed, so I'd be very careful about parts-swapping. I believe the Hunter GEs also use standard threads where there are "GE threads" on the GE badged fans. Nick- I've worked with a variety of GE's at this point from 1903 to 1932 and never seen one with a special "GE thread." Is it possible the Hunter blade has been replaced with a 1908 BMY blade? Seems more likely than a special blade. Hunter was simply a private label of GE as far as I know, doesn't make sense that it would have special parts on it. Could be wrong of course, but this is my assumption.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 09:44 am |
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Mike Dombek Guest
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I have suspicions about the badge area on the cage being slightly different. But the motor, gears and other major components should be interchangeable. Just an opinion though.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 09:14 pm |
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Peter Garcia Guest 
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This member has these parts for sale, see if his is a 16" blade http://www.afcaforum.com/forum2/28511.html
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 10:31 pm |
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Nicholas Denney Guest
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Tim Marks wrote: [size=Nick- I've worked with a variety of GE's at this point from 1903 to 1932 and never seen one with a special "GE thread." ] You don't know about the unique thread that was introduced on the AOUs? It doesn't apply to these earlier fans, but there were Hunter AOUs made and it does apply to them, I THINK. GE never had any ownership of Hunter, Hunter bought parts from GE. For years, their fans were a mix of parts since Hunter was primarily buying motors from GE. Hunter did buy out Century in 1936, and became a division of R&M in 1949.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25th, 2013 12:42 am |
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Tony Clayton Guest
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Thanks to everyone who responded for help on the GE/Hunter comparability.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25th, 2013 04:02 pm |
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Benjamin Fox Guest
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The similarities have always interested me also. I assumed GE looking Hunters were assembled by GE entirely... Never heard of this "GE thread" either... I have usually assumed the fasteners on them were standard, usually fine thread.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 02:17 am |
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Nicholas Denney Guest
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Benjamin Fox wrote: Never heard of this "GE thread" either... I have usually assumed the fasteners on them were standard, usually fine thread. You too? Starting on the AOU and continuing on through the Vortalexes and beyond, there are are 10 (max) screws, all with the same "custom" thread. -oscillator wheel screw -blade setscrew -loophandle thumbcrew -bottom loophandle setscrew (the top one securing the pivot bearing is standard) -strut clip screws (3) -strut/cage screws (3) Darryl Hudson wrote: The screws are not metric[or standard], they are UNS very fine thread. You won't find them at a hardware store. I custom make them on a lathe if you need them, I can make them exactly like the originals in either steel or brass which ever you prefer. Please visit my web site at http://www.HudsonsCustomMachining.com or email me at darryl@HudsonsCustomMachining.com Last edited on Fri Jul 26th, 2013 02:20 am by Nicholas Denney |
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