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| Posted: Wed Jul 17th, 2013 05:34 am |
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Mike Roggerson Guest 
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Anybody with a switch. Anybody in Washington DC or close willing to evaluate this fan for operation use. Attached Image (viewed 991 times):
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| Posted: Wed Jul 17th, 2013 08:57 am |
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Steve Cunningham Administrator 
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I think that fan uses the same switch as the Western Electric Bipolar. Those have been reproduced.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 17th, 2013 03:52 pm |
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Jim McCarter AFCA Member 
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You can buy this to go along with your fan: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-HAWTHORN-UNIVERSAL-WESTERN-ELECTRIC-FAN-AD-/161068208226?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item258069d062#ht_1845wt_1038
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18th, 2013 05:10 am |
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Gary Hagan Guest 
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if you dwcide to sell or trade let me know. I have 2 bmy's and a very very nice century skeletal s3
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| Posted: Sun Jul 21st, 2013 07:47 pm |
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Mike Roggerson Guest
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What are BMY's. I asked that question to another member but got no response. Send pics of fans you're referring to.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 21st, 2013 09:45 pm |
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Dennis Lebow AFCA Member
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Mike look at ebay listing item number 151086330535 that is a .... B M Y fan .
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| Posted: Mon Jul 22nd, 2013 07:02 am |
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Mike Roggerson Guest
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Thanks and I looked at it. I also got some notes about not trading the fan I found for two BMY's as mine is worth much more than that. All the other members that have responded or sent emails sent messages of congratulations, tips, hints, advice, and what services they can provide in either repair or restoration. Gary is the only one who seems as though he wants to take advantage of a situation to someone new to all of this. To you good guys and members of AFCA I applaud and respect your kindness and help. To Gary, well he leaves a bad taste and a mis-representation to the rest of you! But I guess someone was going to try. Bad thing is he didn't even do it in a private mail(see I am learning as I go). Guess his greed got to him first before thinking. To the site administrators I hope this isn't considered hate mail and that you allow me to continue to communicate and learn from your members. As this too was a valuable lesson!!
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| Posted: Mon Jul 22nd, 2013 05:52 pm |
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Gary Hagan Guest
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Interesting response. I was not trying to take advantage of anyone. I asked if you wanted to sell or trade. We never discussed any of the terms. I have no idea of the value of your fan. In its present condition I would guess between 600 and 900. Be careful to who you listen to. I am not the etiquette police and I would not consider this hate mail but it does sound like you are operating on hearsay and the word of most likely DL (I am sure you are familiar with these initials) and should be a bit more professional and objective when posting comments like the one above. Complete and utter rubbish. Last edited on Mon Jul 22nd, 2013 06:27 pm by Gary Hagan |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 04:10 am |
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Lewis Fitzgerald-Holland Guest 
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Gary, I think past sales indicate that Mike's fan is worth a fair deal more then $900. Here's a similar fan that sold on ebay, non trunnion mount though for $2,225. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Western-Electric-Fan-Type-5-Early-1900s-Brass-Fan-Blade-/330932512248?nma=true&si=%252FIvxGD7t2sJrx8ZYZr%252BU%252FPnIWc4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557#ht_239wt_1038 Last edited on Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 04:12 am by Lewis Fitzgerald-Holland |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 04:58 am |
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Gary Hagan Guest
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if that is how you place a value on something I better get out the old frying pan... http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6511148/ns/us_news-weird_news/t/virgin-mary-grilled-cheese-sells/ Last edited on Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 04:37 pm by Gary Hagan |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 05:38 am |
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Steve Cunningham Administrator
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The one on Ebay was an 8" model. I think it's more scarce than the 12 or 16" models.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 10:53 pm |
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Lewis Fitzgerald-Holland Guest
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Steve, thanks for pointing that out, I hadn't noticed that it mentions the blade is 8 inches lower in the listing. Gary, I would still assert that Mike's fan is worth a quite a bit more then your assessed value, I just posted that link as a ballpark, nothing concrete, I think that it would be wise to see if it's possible to contact any members who have sold or bought or have similar fans to get a good idea of the value, as this is a rare enough piece that nothing that similar has sold on ebay recently besides the 8 inch one above. I think that there was one of these at fanfair 2011 but I don't remember how much it was, but if memory serves me right it was in the couple grand range but to what degree I do not remember. Last edited on Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 11:00 pm by Lewis Fitzgerald-Holland |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 11:34 pm |
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Steve Cunningham Administrator
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The one at FanFair was not for sale.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23rd, 2013 11:58 pm |
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Gary Hagan Guest
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The bottom line Lewis is that the fan is worth what someone is willing to pay. Our members and their love for fans drive up the perceived value of these fans, sometimes I would say to an unhealthy level. The BST forum is a place for people to get in contact about a product and negotiate a price. I never had the chance to negotiate with Mike because people chose not to mind their own business and let two able bodied men discuss a business transaction. If we could not come to a mutual agreement then we both walk away with no harm done. I sense there are some that have nothing better to do than stir up trouble. In my opinion a seller is just as responsible for knowing the value of a fan as the buyer. Would I intentionally try to deceive or rip Mike off. Absolutely Not. But that is what i was accused of. Case in point my 2 very nice original BMY's and my mint Century S3 could bring upwards of 1200 going by your method of placing value. If you saw his fan at a yard sale for $20 would you tell the owner that he shouldn't sell it for the marked price and pull up Ebay on your phone, go to advanced search, check completed auctions, and offer him the last Ebay sale price. Or perhaps you would refuse to purchase the item all together because you don't think it is a fair deal for the seller. My money is that you would be posting pictures on this site about your find and how great of a deal you got and rightfully so. Dont get me wrong I appreciate and welcome the close knit community we have here and it is always best that we all look out for each other. No problems there. I suggest that we all try to make an effort to not overcomplicate issues and bring drama to the simplest of discussions. Gary
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| Posted: Wed Jul 24th, 2013 03:12 am |
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Lewis Fitzgerald-Holland Guest
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Ah, that's right Steve now I remember, it was the owner discussing what he had been offered for the fan but had not been willing to sell it. In my opinion Gary, it's two completely different situations. Of course I would snatch it up for $20 at a yard sale, in fact that seems to be what Mike did in the first place, and kudos to him for finding it. The difference is, Mike came on here with this fan, and he's a collector and he came on asking for a value for his fan and information about it, and there is a difference between buying something for cheap from someone who simply wants to sell it for the low asking price, and intentionally low balling someone who is searching for a fair market price and appraisal of said item. He didn't come on here and ask what people would pay him for it, he specifically asked for a market appraisal in the first thread he posted. I guess the difference for me is, that yard sale seller didn't bother to try and do the research or get a value for his item, so his loss and I'll happily buy it. However, Mike came on here for that specific reason, to share his find, garner information and hopefully a ballpark value. To tell him something other then the truth in that case is an entirely different game and one I do not wish to play. I'm not trying to accuse you of playing that game, I just think that your idea of the value of the fan is off. I'm sorry but I cannot envision an S3 and two BMY's going for anywhere near 1200, but I do suppose there are fluky auctions on Ebay from time to time. Last edited on Wed Jul 24th, 2013 03:15 am by Lewis Fitzgerald-Holland |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 24th, 2013 04:51 am |
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Jim Kovar AFCA Member 
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If I saw that fan marked $20 at a yard sale, I would (with fan in hand and a straight face) point out the rusty base and the tarnished brass, and ask the seller if he'd take $12 for it. Good chance he'd counter offer $15. p.s. Of course, I wouldn't set it down and walk away if he said, "NO." I'd gladly pay the $20.  Last edited on Wed Jul 24th, 2013 09:19 pm by Jim Kovar |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 24th, 2013 07:25 am |
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Gary Hagan Guest
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But what about ebay Jim? You scoundrel! ha ha
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| Posted: Wed Jul 24th, 2013 04:16 pm |
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Gary Hagan Guest
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BMY That Sold 3 days Ago: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Ge-Brass-Blade-Electric-Fan-General-Electric-Fully-Restored-/281136226963?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4175066293&nma=true&si=zIHtAF4sTGf2yISCoBvk5ZujXR8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 Century S3 That Sold 2 weeks ago: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Century-S-3-Skeletal-Oscillator-Electric-Fan-brass-blades-brass-cage-/130943553976?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e7cd811b8&nma=true&si=zIHtAF4sTGf2yISCoBvk5ZujXR8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 So there you have it Lewis. 2 very recent auction's that brought a great deal more than my humble $1,200 estimate. If you do the math i believe it is 2500 plus shipping so I rest my case. Last edited on Wed Jul 24th, 2013 04:17 pm by Gary Hagan |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 24th, 2013 06:04 pm |
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Lewis Fitzgerald-Holland Guest
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Exactly, as I said above there are fluky ebay auctions. That Century skeletal price isn't too out of line from what i would expect, but obviously that BMY went for way more then anyone would normally expect, even for a nicely restored one.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 24th, 2013 06:46 pm |
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Michael Rathberger Guest 
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Gary Hagan wrote: So there you have it Lewis. 2 very recent auction's that brought a great deal more than my humble $1,200 estimate. If you do the math i believe it is 2500 plus shipping so I rest my case. With no disrespect meant, Gary, if you ever find a Western Electric Ball Motor DC fan, send me a note first. I'll send you 2 BMY's, a Mint S3 Century, and -- just for you -- throw in a pretty nice Dayton 50 for your time and troubles. I'd do that deal all week and twice on Sunday even with a missing switch.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 24th, 2013 08:06 pm |
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Gary Hagan Guest
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Lewis, I am having a difficult time understanding your definition of a fluky auction. I suppose it is convenient to dismiss an auction as fluky when it does not suit the argument you are trying to make. Even though you yourself have only one fluky example of a price which in fact did not even match the item in question. I suppose that you quickly disregarded the fact that the auctions that I referenced are less than 2 weeks old, or the fact that I followed the guidelines implied by the Lewis Fitzgerald-Holland Valuation Method you and your fellow Antiquarians have recently imposed upon the BST forum. Have you ever considered that the fans brought what they did because they were presented in a manner that warranted their sale price. Look at Kim's recent coin op, or some of the prices Newcity gets for his gorgeous Emersons. They bring in well over the average, sometimes double, but in my opinion are worth every penny to the lucky buyer because of their meticulous condition and the manner in which they are displayed. Refer to Dr. Dreesen's recent tutorial on the art of presention as it pertains to Ebay if you are looking for a quick tutorial. In an effort to end this pointless discussion I apologize for the misunderstanding and from now on before I buy or sell anything in the forums, just for you, I pinky promise I will send out a mass approval request to the Barter Swat Team (BST) for their expert appraisal of an item and a permit before I proceed with a transaction. Does that suit you Lewis? The same goes to anyone else that may have a problem with the way I conduct myself in this forum. I am quickly growing tired of all the BS that goes on around here. Last edited on Wed Jul 24th, 2013 08:40 pm by Gary Hagan |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 24th, 2013 08:59 pm |
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Jay Fontanella Guest 
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Lewis Fitzgerald-Holland wrote: Exactly, as I said above there are fluky ebay auctions. That Century skeletal price isn't too out of line from what i would expect, but obviously that BMY went for way more then anyone would normally expect, even for a nicely restored one. I am not taking sides but based on what I have seen over the last few years on ebay, that is no fluke for a BMY. I happen to follow this model closely as I like it a lot. They are typically bringing that kind of money in that condition. That is not to say I think they are worth it (although I have 2 so I hope they are) Maybe most folks on this site would not pay that kind of money for a BMY, but in Ebay land that is practically the going rate. Last edited on Mon Aug 5th, 2013 01:33 am by Jay Fontanella |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25th, 2013 12:08 am |
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Steve Cunningham Administrator
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From the 1906 WE Fan Catalog. Attached Image (viewed 566 times):
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25th, 2013 12:08 am |
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Steve Cunningham Administrator
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The Tag Attached Image (viewed 553 times):
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25th, 2013 12:09 am |
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Steve Cunningham Administrator
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The Switch Attached Image (viewed 579 times):
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25th, 2013 09:19 am |
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Lewis Fitzgerald-Holland Guest
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Gary, simply put this conversation has strayed way off track. My reason for posting here had nothing to do with wanting to hash out an argument about ebay pricing or what restored versus original BMY's go for, it only had to do with my concern that Mike, who had come on here for an evaluation of his fan initially, was not being offered a fair trade. I maintain that that trade would not be economically justifiable for Mike, no matter what the condition of the three fans you had. Simply put, the Western Electric is worth quite a bit more. I'm not trying to accuse you of attempting to rip off Mike, I just think that it would have been a good idea to look into and research the value of this fan before tossing in a trade deal with someone who came on the forum seeking a value for his fan. I know that if I ran across one of these Western Electric any day for under 1000 in an Antique shop, or elsewhere I would buy it and think I got a heck of a good deal. Last edited on Thu Jul 25th, 2013 09:22 am by Lewis Fitzgerald-Holland |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 29th, 2013 12:05 am |
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Mike Roggerson Guest
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He wanted $25 and I offered him $20 each for that and the Diehl which seemed more vintage but neat.. It was at a liquidation "sale" that was advertised as an auction and the proprietor said he was an auctioneer and that those were vintage fans. That's all I thought too because of the cage. I was not trying to take advantage of him as I didn't know what they were worth. I'm new to picking up fans. But I do know the rule of haggling.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 29th, 2013 12:34 am |
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Mike Roggerson Guest
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Lewis thanks for your posts. I've never met you and don't know you, but thanks for looking out for the little guy. Finding this fan has been a blessing and a curse. I do think the AFCA site should be about promoting the interest and history of these items and not the con or misinformation. I understand that conditions change and prices vary and an object is only as valuable as what someone is willing to pay for it. But members who intentionally do badwill which is apparently documented here and on Ebay in regards to "that guy" you as members as have to deal with. I am so impressed with the guys like you(and countless others who have given good advice ....you know who you are) I won't let a bad experience deter me from learning and seeking advice here on the site. As I have "ignored" GH I don't know what he wrote but I've read he's good at telling stories. I don't think I ever mentioned trading or selling the fan I was simply interested in the part because even to a novice its obviously missing the original switch. and any information on it that one had to share. Steve thank you too for your information and presenting factual insights. Lets all just move forward. After all, we can't take it with us. And if I do decide to join the AFCA I do want to be known as one of the good guys with a lot to learn. I saw video clip of the young teenager and his collection at fanfair. The look on his face and his pride in his work and finds.......That's what its all about!
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| Posted: Mon Aug 5th, 2013 12:51 am |
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Mike Roggerson Guest
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I guess if finding this fan is hard enough a switch is impossible to get. Does anyone have a repro.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 5th, 2013 01:23 am |
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Austin B Ko Guest
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Mike Roggerson wrote: I guess if finding this fan is hard enough a switch is impossible to get. Does anyone have a repro.There have been members that remade switches before. I know Kim Frank made some pancake switches and some DC Ge switches. Maybe he might be able to??? Someone would have to lend the machinist an original one to reproduce it unless someone has patent drawings on it.
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