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| 1902 Type AA Form B RARE 16" Vintage GE Pancake brass fan in GREAT Shape | Rate Topic |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 16th, 2013 09:40 pm |
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Royal Norman AFCA Member 
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This is my fan on ebay. It has a reserve. However, if any AFCA member wants to purchase directly, we'll make it $1299 which will include shipping. http://www.ebay.com/itm/161087174185?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649 Thanks. Attached Image (viewed 1437 times):
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| Posted: Sat Aug 17th, 2013 05:47 am |
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Mike Lackey Guest
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Beautiful fan !!! Been watching it.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 17th, 2013 06:04 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest 
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Of all the 16" GE pancakes (although not a "real" pancake) this is my favorite. I've been watching it also and hope it finds a new appreciative buyer.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 17th, 2013 06:25 am |
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David Foster AFCA Member 
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A truly gorgeous fan. Wish I had the proper budget. Oh well, someday...
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| Posted: Sat Aug 17th, 2013 09:06 pm |
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Royal Norman AFCA Member
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Price reduction $1199...although you guys are making me think I should just keep it. :-)
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| Posted: Sat Aug 17th, 2013 10:22 pm |
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Ron Jeter Guest 
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Steve Stephens wrote: (although not a "real" pancake) I think its a real Pancake - just my opinion and I am not trying to force my thoughts/opionions about fans on anyone.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 17th, 2013 10:31 pm |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Some people's definition of a pancake fan is one with a thin motor and single bearing. I don't know how that definition came up but, if you subscribe to it, the 16" GEs are not pancakes. Whatever the 16" is I still usually refer to it as a pancake. What are the "real" pancakes? 10-14" GEs, Holtzer Cabot, Westinghouse, Trojan a few Emersons (810 for instance). Others? Those are all single bearing motors. The AC Interior Conduit below is every bit as "pancakey" as those above yet it has two bearings. It's all in the definition and we, as fan collectors, have made up our own definitions. Attached Image (viewed 1232 times): Last edited on Sat Aug 17th, 2013 10:32 pm by Steve Stephens |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 17th, 2013 10:37 pm |
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Ron Jeter Guest
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Steve Stephens wrote: It's all in the definition and we, as fan collectors, have made up our own definitions. And Stevie is trying to change them!
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| Posted: Sat Aug 17th, 2013 10:40 pm |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Ron Jeter wrote: Steve Stephens wrote:Positively not true regardless of what you think.It's all in the definition and we, as fan collectors, have made up our own definitions.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 17th, 2013 10:45 pm |
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Ron Jeter Guest
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Steve Stephens wrote: Ron Jeter wrote:Steve Stephens wrote:Positively not true regardless of what you think.It's all in the definition and we, as fan collectors, have made up our own definitions. A good example would be the Menominee Bank teller fan!! Got Cha!!!
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| Posted: Sat Aug 17th, 2013 11:05 pm |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Ron Jeter wrote: Oh, you mean the Menominee Table Fan that Menominee made and advertised as a table fan? Where ever did the name ' bank teller fan' for that Menominee come from? Attached Image (viewed 1193 times):
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| Posted: Sun Aug 18th, 2013 03:54 am |
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Darryl Hudson AFCA Member 
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Although we do typically think of pancakes as being a single bearing type motor, when AFCA founder Kurt House nicknamed the GE pancake as such, it was because of the large diameter and thin (front to back) motor. Kurt said it was flat, "like a pancake". So we as collectors can use the term loosely, as it was intended, or assign definite mandatory features for one to be a pancake. This should develop into an interesting thread. Input anyone?
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| Posted: Sun Aug 18th, 2013 04:29 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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I don't think there is any hard and fast rule on what is and what isn't a pancake. Looks like we can all make up our mind to call or not call a fan a pancake. One could say "if it doesn't look like a pancake it isn't a pancake". Attached Image (viewed 1173 times):
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| Posted: Sun Aug 18th, 2013 06:35 am |
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Dan Nguyen AFCA Member 
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A similar story happened in Vietnam. With Marelli Ghibli, Bisa, Delio are called "Pháo" (Cannon Gun). For example: "Cannon" 40, "Cannon" 30, "Cannon" 25 (based on the approximate diameter of the cage, blade). All unknown origin of the name and why it is called that, but they frequently use. To be able to understand it's a slang word. Last edited on Sun Aug 18th, 2013 06:43 am by Dan Nguyen |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 18th, 2013 05:01 pm |
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Fred Berry Guest 
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I have always considered a true pancake motor fan to have a flat motor with a single bearing with a rotor that hangs off the rear of the bearing. Hence most Emerson single bearing fans do not make the cut, even if they do have flat, wide motors. Only their Trojan pancakes, 4- and 6-wingers had the single bearing with the rotor hanging off the back of the bearing and the blade-set off the front, to help 'balance' the rotor in the bearing. But this is only my own personal opinion. Keyword: "Wide, flat-profile motor"... Attached Image (viewed 1116 times): Last edited on Sun Aug 18th, 2013 05:02 pm by Fred Berry |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 18th, 2013 05:47 pm |
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Mark Stillman AFCA Member 
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I think the profile of the motor is the defining factor for a cake. But then again you could have a stuffed pancake or a crepe right? LOL! Hard to beat the Trojan cakes but I have to say I like this 02 GE as well. Attached Image (viewed 1215 times):
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| Posted: Sun Aug 18th, 2013 11:04 pm |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Here is a true pancake, an 1896 model GE 12" fan. Single bearing with the motor on the very back of the motor shaft. Attached Image (viewed 1054 times):
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| Posted: Sun Aug 18th, 2013 11:10 pm |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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This poor fan may be left out of the running for the "pancake club" because it has the handicap of a bit more "stuff" hanging behind the rotor mass. Ever seen one? I haven't but there were several at Fanfair this year. All 16000 alts (133 cycles), a 710, this 810 trunnion, and an 820 16" trunnion. Do you notice that the motor is a short stack pancake in place of the full stack pancake of the 1896 GE above. A thinner motor, and it was THIN. I will definitely consider these Emersons to be real pancake fans. Attached Image (viewed 1084 times):
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| Posted: Sun Aug 18th, 2013 11:11 pm |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Rear of "Mr. Thin", Emerson 820 Attached Image (viewed 1107 times):
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| Posted: Sun Aug 18th, 2013 11:14 pm |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Here's the Type 820, 16000 alts. A Pancake! Attached Image (viewed 1084 times):
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| Posted: Sun Aug 18th, 2013 11:15 pm |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Same "fan" but different fan motor, type 1020. Not a Pancake. Attached Image (viewed 1090 times):
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21st, 2013 06:14 am |
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Royal Norman AFCA Member
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I was just trying to sell my fan. :-)
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21st, 2013 06:57 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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My apologies Royal. I should not have let the thread go astray.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21st, 2013 07:39 pm |
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Fred Berry Guest
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Steve and everyone: Great thread! Beautiful photos of some beautiful fans! Lets keep it going. GE, Trojan, HC and Westinghouse had true pancake machines in (again) my personal opinion. Photo: 1901←for sale left, thin stator stack, and 1898 on right, thick 1-1/2" stator stack. Royal, if I was bucks-up right now, I would not hesitate to buy your machine. Although I am not into large 16" fans, this one has lots of appeal!! Attached Image (viewed 905 times):
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21st, 2013 07:47 pm |
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Fred Berry Guest
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Mark, many thanks for the photos of your Trojan 5110. Because of your light-colored poles in the motor, everyone can see what I was trying to say about the shades on each pole: Instead of copper bands or belt buckles, these machines had wire-wound shades, you can see them on Mark's Trojan. I have yet to see that type on another fan. (Hope someone here will show me!)
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| Posted: Wed Aug 21st, 2013 07:56 pm |
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Fred Berry Guest
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This HC is also "true" pancake, single bearing with the rotor hanging off the end. It has a weird pointed shaft on the inside end of the rotor which contacts two steel 'points' and it contracts when started and comes back when turned off to connect and disconnect the start windings. This is the only centrifugal true pancake type I know of...Old too, made around 1895... Attached Image (viewed 903 times):
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| Posted: Thu Aug 22nd, 2013 07:16 am |
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Royal Norman AFCA Member
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No worries, Stephen. I was just kidding. Hey Kim, you going to weigh in.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 22nd, 2013 08:35 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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Royal Norman wrote: No worries, Stephen. I was just kidding. Hey Kim, you going to weigh in.Well, I figured that you said what you wanted to about your big 1902 cake and then the thread here took a turn (I helped that didn't I?) towards a favorite topic of mine...and Fred's...and probably a number of other members. So here we go rambling on about pancakes while your fan is making the rounds on ebay. Good luck there; I hope you sell it if you want to.
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