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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2014 09:01 pm |
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Tim Marks Guest
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The two examples above are my two absolute favorite fans. Both are silent, both oscillate superbly and are easy to use. One is a beautiful restored fan and the other is a beautiful preserved fan. Neither of them have a century of dirt sitting on them. I am NOT a proponent of buying an old fan and doing nothing with it. Fans should be made to run and either preserved or restored PROPERLY so as to ensure they last a life time. I feel its a waste to have fans sitting on the shelf with no intent of cleaning or making them run. They only continue to degrade further away from usable condition. If I could only keep one I would keep the Kidney. I put my heart and soul into that restoration and know that it will gain value for a century to come. I also love the two-star the most of any of my other fans aside from the kidney. Last edited on Fri May 16th, 2014 09:03 pm by Tim Marks |
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2014 09:16 pm |
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Michael Rathberger Guest 
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Tim Marks wrote: Which would you rather own? Both very well done restorations/preservations. I'll take the six wing fan. However, if the Kidney was a six wing fan, I'd take that one. If the 2 star was a 4 wing fan, I would have answered the Kidney. Neither fan is in the realm of super collectible for me, so it's a toss up, the 6 wings make the difference, I really like the look of them (I also own one of those already). Another example of my outlook on fans. I hesitated on a little Carelton ball motor at Aiken, it was the coolest little restoration I had seen and a great price. It was gone by the time I looped back. I would have taken that one over any original condition Carelton, but again, not super collectible. There was a Manhatten battery fan there that was fully restored, I passed because I would have preferred a fan like that original. I decided to save my money for Indy.
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2014 09:23 pm |
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Tim Marks Guest
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Michael Rathberger wrote: Both very well done restorations/preservations. I'll take the six wing fan. However, if the Kidney was a six wing fan, I'd take that one. If the 2 star was a 4 wing fan, I would have answered the Kidney. The kidney is a six wing ;)
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2014 09:35 pm |
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Michael Rathberger Guest
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Tim Marks wrote: Michael Rathberger wrote: I guess I would have picked the wrong one then. From the pic it looked like a 4 wing to me...
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2014 10:41 pm |
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George Durbin AFCA Member 
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The kidney is soo shiny I cant see the six blades! Any one have a NOS kidney still in an unopened box? Preservation? restoration? We are all dancing around the the answer here. I have a question for Tim and Steve or any one with an opinion... If you have a kidney preserved like the 2-star. And both kidneys setting next to each other on a table at a garage sale. Which one would you price higher? Or would you price them the same? How would you explain the difference between them? I think both will last a hunnert years? Right? geo... Last edited on Fri May 16th, 2014 10:43 pm by George Durbin |
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2014 10:49 pm |
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Steve Stephens Guest 
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For a good restoration I would probably price the restored fan higher. One has to recoup the costs of the restoration or, at least figure it into the value/cost. Maybe I would price the unrestored one higher so it wouldn't sell and I could keep it.
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2014 10:58 pm |
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Tim Marks Guest
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George Durbin wrote: The kidney is soo shiny I cant see the six blades! Any one have a NOS kidney still in an unopened box? Preservation? restoration? We are all dancing around the the answer here. I have a question for Tim and Steve or any one with an opinion... If you have a kidney preserved like the 2-star. And both kidneys setting next to each other on a table at a garage sale. Which one would you price higher? Or would you price them the same? How would you explain the difference between them? I think both will last a hunnert years? Right? I believe without a doubt that if both the fans I pictured above were equal fans, let's say both of them were six-wing kidney fans, that the restored one would sell for considerably higher than the unrestored one. I'm willing to say even $1k for the restored one and $500 for the unrestored one. Just a guess based on ebay values in the past. I think this is an example of more common fans being worth more money restored. The same is not necessarily true with ultra rare fans. T Last edited on Fri May 16th, 2014 10:58 pm by Tim Marks |
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2014 11:01 pm |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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With the added time and materials for a restored fan it would seem natural that it would sell for more. I think buyers of restored fans expect to pay more since they usually can't restore the fans themselves and may know the true costs for a quality restoration.
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2014 11:06 pm |
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Tim Marks Guest
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Steve Stephens wrote: With the added time and materials for a restored fan it would seem natural that it would sell for more. I think buyers of restored fans expect to pay more since they usually can't restore the fans themselves and may know the true costs for a quality restoration. Steve- While that's true and I respect your point, when it comes to pricing on ebay it really has nothing to do with what the costs are. It only has to do with what people will pay and therefore what the value is. There are much higher costs in certain restorations than others but if the consumer can't tell the difference than the pricing will be the same between them. The example of $1k versus $500 for the restored versus original kidney is an example of the value of the fans. Not their cost. Last edited on Fri May 16th, 2014 11:06 pm by Tim Marks |
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| Posted: Fri May 16th, 2014 11:10 pm |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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Steve Stephens wrote: For a good restoration I would probably price the restored fan higher. One has to recoup the costs of the restoration or, at least figure it into the value/cost. Maybe I would price the unrestored one higher so it wouldn't sell and I could keep it. Truer words never spoken!  geo...
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| Posted: Sat May 17th, 2014 12:51 am |
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David Hoatson Guest 
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To me, I get a warm feeling when i see an unmolested fan that looks good and runs well. It even smells right. I like being the first man to ever crack into that virginal motor case with the 1917 headwire that was soldered on by a very tired 14-year old girl. It's like opening a door that has been shut longer than any living person can remember. It's an honor. And a pure energy. A fully rebuilt fan with an $800 paint job is beautiful, but in a modern art or a Hollywood way. Mesmerizing in the silky smoothness of it base coat and the depth of the clear, polished for a king. Like an object that fell from the stars. It's like deciding if you want to take Norma Jean to the ice cream counter to stare into her eyes or to take Marylyn Monroe to the Academy Awards and stare down her blouse. Fans - take more than one if you want.
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| Posted: Sat May 17th, 2014 02:14 am |
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Josh Backens Guest 
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My vote is...... The kidney!! Both look great, but I like the kidney fan itself better. Plus, it's restored .
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| Posted: Mon May 19th, 2014 10:53 pm |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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This thread has sufficiently died and now here is my theory on anything when it comes to something you like or value... It is all between your ears what you think something is worth, and what you want to do with it!!  A child will always think a nickle is worth more than a dime, its their idea of the world at that time. Some collectors will give more for emersons than ge's and vice-versa. Some think preserved is more valuable than restored. Its their perception! No one is free of this discrimination. Its all between your ears. Look at how many fads have come and gone. While something is hot it is perceived to be worth more, when the fad passes it is worth nearly nothing. Beanie babies, cabbage patch dolls, there are thousands of examples...  When you say or think "I got to have that" You probably gonna pay too much. Girls, cars, fans, anything popular... Go with the flow and enjoy it! Dont deal with the ones you dont like. Always say good things about other collectors here on the forum. Say what you want in private but dont forget you might be recorded!!!Any way... ITS ALL BETWEEN YOURS EARS!! geo... Last edited on Tue May 20th, 2014 09:10 pm by George Durbin |
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| Posted: Mon May 19th, 2014 11:48 pm |
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Gary Hagan Guest 
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In the antique underwares collector world most like the patina left in tact. Attached Image (viewed 1071 times):
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| Posted: Mon May 19th, 2014 11:54 pm |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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That would be gently used...
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 12:03 am |
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Tim Marks Guest
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Gary Hagan wrote: In the antique underwares collector world most like the patina left in tact. Clearly you haven't read the thread. That underwear is not patina until it's at least two or three weeks old.
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 12:05 am |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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Tim Marks wrote: Gary Hagan wrote:In the antique underwares collector world most like the patina left in tact. To some that is a valuable set of drawers! I will not poo poo Gary ' s collection of them! Geo...
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 12:07 am |
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Tim Marks Guest
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George Durbin wrote:
You'd probably bling them out with tie-dye, Geo! Some people just don't understand antiques or how to appreciate them.
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 12:20 am |
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Tom Dreesen AFCA Member 
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George Durbin wrote: This thread has sufficiently died and now here is my theory on anything when it comes to something you like or value... Geo, Your likes or dislikes have only a marginal effect on market forces. It is simply a fact that most well preserved antiques are worth more, and in most cases, much more than a restored item. And that's from your wallet, not between your ears. Be thankful you can pick up de-patinated antiques for a fraction of the patinated version and shine them every night.
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 02:52 am |
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Dick Evins Guest 
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Tim: Either and both of those 2-Stars are worthy of ownership of which I would be equally proud. I have one that looked like it had sat out in the rain since 1917 or so and it proudly sits in my living room happily restored (sans the lower Star).
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 05:53 am |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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Tom Dreesen wrote: George Durbin wrote:This thread has sufficiently died and now here is my theory on anything when it comes to something you like or value... Hi Tom!Nothing has value unless someone wants it! Perceived or other wise. It could be a rare one of a kind rock on a beach and until someone wants or desires it, it will be worth nothing...Geo...
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 05:54 am |
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John Rothrock Guest 
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As I see it Great Original>Great restore>shabby original>shabby restore signed Lurker
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 05:57 am |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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John Rothrock wrote: As I see it Great Original>Great restore>shabby original>shabby restore Hi John!You could be right! Geo...
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 06:12 am |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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A friend of mine bought me a fan at a garage sale for a $10 spot. I gave him $20. Sold it to a collector for $80 She sold it to another collector for $160. This guy sold it to a flea market vendor for $200... Some guy off the street bought it for $250... Poor ba**ard died... His widow didn't like the fan and sold it at her garage sale for $10. My friend gave her a $10 spot and sold it to me for $20.......................... Geo...
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 06:13 am |
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Derek Anthony AFCA Member 
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I keep my fans in their original condition, I only restore them if they are really rusted, the ones I restored were a zero box fan, and a patton u2 1887 that was really corroded Last edited on Tue May 20th, 2014 06:15 am by Derek Anthony |
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 06:31 am |
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Tom Dreesen AFCA Member
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George Durbin wrote: Tom Dreesen wrote:George Durbin wrote:This thread has sufficiently died and now here is my theory on anything when it comes to something you like or value... Mythbusters proved you could polish excrement.
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 06:37 am |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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John Rothrock wrote: As I see it Great Original>Great restore>shabby original>shabby restoreHow I see it: Great original > great preservation. Shabby original > great restoration. At least that's how I think it works out best.
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 06:44 am |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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Hahah Tom!I never tried polishing one of those! I did try a few times to put lipstick on a pig!Geo...
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 07:10 am |
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John Rothrock Guest
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George Durbin wrote:
the circle of life... I have been going to a few auctions lately and you always see the old guy who's buying quantity on everything that goes cheap, wonder if in 10 years I'll be going to his sale and buying that same stuff, then in about 30 years somebody will come to my estate sale and steal all my treaures
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 07:13 am |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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John Rothrock wrote: George Durbin wrote: In 30 years! Look at all that patina!! Geo..
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 10:42 am |
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Andrew Block Guest
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John Rothrock wrote: George Durbin wrote: Circle of life indeed. Went to a estate sale this weekend of a man who collected lighting for over 40 years. Wife wants out, has to clear out the building for sale. 2200 pieces of glass and multiple parts bins. Bought almost 100 shades in every size, shape and color....handpainted.....gasolier.....holophane.....mission......gravity bowl......Handel........cut glass electric.......blown globes.......$10 each. No chandelier more than $60, for fully rewired gas/electrics. 40 years of collecting reduced to $10 each. Better watch Ebay, there were multiple individuals purchasing for resale.
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 06:09 pm |
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Tom Dreesen AFCA Member
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Andrew Block wrote: John Rothrock wrote:George Durbin wrote: I have been to enough auctions to have seen many items more than once in far separate locations. I fully believe that there is stuff that spends eternity traveling to one auction after another (some with stops in various stores and warehouses).
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 08:12 pm |
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Wayne Bengston AFCA Member
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I'd want both of the fans above, but the original would be my preference if I could only have one. I like finely restored items of all sorts, beautifully preserved originals, and well-worn but cared for originals, and old restorations. Everything has its place. My favorite fan is the Century below and I only plan to replace the cord and headwire, and the Tank ties with the Trojan below for a very close second place; I don't "like" the rust on the base of the Century, but I also feel it gives it character. It reminds me of an article I read about Carroll Shelby. He could drive anything he wanted, but his favorite car was an un-restored 289 Cobra with polished, but cracked paint and a well-worn drive-line. Last edited on Tue May 20th, 2014 08:20 pm by Wayne Bengston |
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 08:45 pm |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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I don't have a ribbed base emerson, but I will someday!I have this s-4 16" century. It is a mixed bag and I love it! The stump is preserved and rewired. Paint was 95% I had it buffed and adjusted the brushes so it runs nicely! The cage had several breaks. It was repaired and buffed. The blade had a cracked wing and so all 4 were replaced and buffed to beauty... I still need to black out the badge.... Attached Image (viewed 924 times): Last edited on Tue May 20th, 2014 08:58 pm by George Durbin |
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 08:48 pm |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 08:55 pm |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 08:57 pm |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 09:02 pm |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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Very early serial number "556". I think it is still the second earliest serial number and I think there are only 12-15 non oscillators known at this time.... I will bring this one to Fan Fair in Indy this year... Attached Image (viewed 974 times): Last edited on Tue May 20th, 2014 09:02 pm by George Durbin |
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 09:09 pm |
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Steve Stephens Guest
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George Durbin wrote: I have this s-4 16" century. I had it buffed and adjusted the brushes so it runs nicely! Adjusted WHAT brushes?
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| Posted: Tue May 20th, 2014 09:19 pm |
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George Durbin AFCA Member
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Steve Stephens wrote: George Durbin wrote:I have this s-4 16" century. I had it buffed and adjusted the brushes so it runs nicely! Yeah... I will edit that statement... "and adjusted the contacts on the rotor!" They are touchy in their adjustments! Nice catch Steve!!How do you like that original paint? geo...
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