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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2015 06:41 am

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Marc Barnes
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Don Tener wrote:All of the negative comments have made up my mind for me. I have been a member sense 2012 and I have only posted 2 or 3 ebay listing's in all of that time up till now. If i see it on ebay and think it could be rare (or a good deal), I will be posting it here and all of the people that do not like it can check the forum rule's.

A different response to the negative comments may work better. Just sayin ... flooding BST with eBay auctions becomes an issue that the moderators/AFCA board will likely be forced to address, and that's likely exactly what those who are making the negative comments would like to have happen.

Also, posting auctions en masse doesn't really seem to be what BST is for ... I can see sharing them ocassionally adding value (some other members agree), but flooding it just seems to be a sure way to reduce its value to members.

I understand your response, and what you do is certainly your choice. My apologies for poking the hornet's nest and reviving the thread. Probably should have let this one go. Lol

Last edited on Thu Jun 18th, 2015 01:07 pm by Marc Barnes

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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2015 06:47 am

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Steve Stephens
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Please don't clutter up the BST forum with eBay auctions that are not yours. That causes members sale fan or other posts to sink out of sight. Anyone can easily find eBay fans auctions; just go to eBay and look in the fan category.

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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2015 07:25 am

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Gary Hagan
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Marc Barnes wrote: Tom Dreesen wrote: Marc Barnes wrote: Mike Petree wrote: "The auction Don posted ended with zero bidders for the fan. Looks like all the hand-wringing over his sharing it here was pointless. "

The fan had zero bids because it was overpriced for it's condition and missing key parts. Whether you are right or wrong on posting ebay links, this auction result does not vindicate your position.

Exactly, I agree on both points.

A "position" in this share/don't share eBay live auctions discussion can't be proven with only anecdotal evidence, as I've pointed out in the past. But that is all anyone has to work with, on both sides of the discussion about what happens when active auctions are posted here. And there are always a number of variables which affect every eBay listing. Whether the listing is shared here or not is simply one of many variables.

But the discussion about what happens to the price of fans shared here isn't really the main point to me (and wasn't the main point of my post which you responded to), although I understand that is likely the main thing that matters to others. I don't need to vindicate the main points of my position, which are that sharing live eBay (and other) auctions here is absolutely fine, aligns very well with the AFCA mission, is permitted by the AFCA and brings zero harm to anyone, and members should feel free to share them without concern or fear. And in fact, some are very grateful when members do so.

Mr. Tener shouldn't have been called out for sharing the listing here, no matter why he shared it (apparently thinking it was BIN) or what happened with the less-than-perfect fan.

Most of this discussion is just noise which ignores and distracts from the main points of my position for the most part.

You cannot vindicate your position. There is a reason appraisers use the caveat "a well publicized auction".
You simply cannot go against decades of auction results by calling them anecdotal.

I didn't realize you had decades of data which shows how fans on eBay go for so much more money than they would have if they hadn't been shared on the AFCA forum. Please, share that verifiable data with everyone here. You don't need to provide decades of data -- five years is plenty. I'm still waiting, and I'm sure others would enjoy seeing it as well. I won't hold my breath. You'll have to start gathering data from auctions OTHER than this listing that you jumped down Don's throat for posting, because this fan had no bids, at all. None. Zero.

And still, that's just noise to distract from the easily proven facts -- sharing live eBay (and other) auctions here is absolutely fine, aligns very well with the AFCA mission, is permitted by the AFCA and brings zero harm to anyone, and members should feel free to share them without fear or concern.
No doubt many members won't for various reasons. At least a few probably won't because they don't feel like facing the posse just to share a fan listing with fellow members.

Marc,
There have been many scientific studies done to prove what we are all saying. One was done in sweden regarding real estate auctions over a sample of 512 auctions. Read here.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=NTeCVZ6hN4ajNvK6gqgP&url=http://www.umac.mo/fba/irer/papers/forthcoming/IR120207%2520Bidder%2520on%2520Condo%2520in%2520Stockholme%2520(Hungria-Gunnelin).pdf&ved=0CCAQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNFmAAEd_9vWTppt5iPMG96OU8TfDw
I am not trying to be difficult but it can be proven mathematically through probability distribution functions. I would go to the trouble of posting the formulas derived by some of the brightest minds in the country but I doubt even that would be enough to change your opinion. You don't believe in global warming either I'm guessing.

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Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2015 11:35 am

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Royal Norman
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Posted: Sat Jan 21st, 2017 07:27 am

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Ron Wallace
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I own a Peerless DC FO...........so they did make them.

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Posted: Sat Jan 21st, 2017 06:10 pm

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Jesse Sanders
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For what it's worth as a new member(was guest for a little over a year before joining), I would agree that for more common models of course posting every Ebay listing gets much too cluttered. I check the BST more often than I check Ebay as they are usually out of my price range on Ebay, so I don't have a lot of skin in the game as far as higher or lower prices go there, I prefer local auctions. However, I also appreciate it when members who know more about the rarity of certain fans I'm still not even familiar with post something that stands out to them even if it isn't their own listing, I can usually safely assume it's worth looking at and if the price is decent enough for them to have posted and made a comment on this unfamiliar fan regarding the fairness or exaggeration of said price, I may bid or buy it now accordingly.
For the record: I saw the BIN for the original fan in question, there was one when it was initially posted. BIN's of rare fans that more knowledgeable members don't want for themselves, seem fair to post here for all to judge for themselves.

Basically, thank you for posting the fan - cool fan - still out of my price range even at $280 or whatever it went for

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Posted: Sat Jan 21st, 2017 09:02 pm

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Lane Shirey
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I'm not understanding why a 1+ year old thread about an eBay posting is being rekindled.

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Posted: Sun Jan 22nd, 2017 12:36 am

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Kevin R. Braswell
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Old Sports, We all Have different opinions. Some like our fans restored, others prefer them not restored. We
Will never agree on everything. Let's all Just get back to what we come
Here for. The Love of Fans. The enjoyment of conversations about them. We should focus less on what separates us and more on what unites us. just my thoughts. Best regards to all.

Last edited on Sun Jan 22nd, 2017 12:39 am by Kevin R. Braswell

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