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Josh Taylor Guest
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After talking with Bill Reynolds, we're going to start making these very soon. We're in the process of ordering the necessary materials and want to get a rough count on these to know how many should be made. After looking at the material cost and the many hours involved, the cost per switch should be between $130 - $150. We will try to keep it close to the $130 mark as that is what Bill sold them for years ago. The difference will be depending on the inflation of materials. If you're wanting a switch please just post in the thread and include the quantity. This is not a pre-sale but please do not post if you are on the fence. We don't want to spend the time and money and end up with switches just sitting around. I've included a picture of the last batch Bill made to give you and idea of what these should look like.  |
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Chris A. Campbell Guest
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What fan does this go to? Have never seen this type of switch. |
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Stephen Sanders Guest 
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Ornate Emerson Cf like CF-14, CF-20 and CF-28. It fits some others as well but I am uncertain of the complete list Last edited on Sat Jun 18th, 2016 08:21 pm by Stephen Sanders |
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Chad Hunter AFCA Member
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Count me in for one |
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Cory Baughn Guest 
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Can someone confirm all the models this switch fits? I am definitely in for one, and may grab two if it includes quite a few fans I am interested in eventually acquiring in my lifetime.  |
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David Hoatson Guest 
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I'll take three. |
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David Hoatson Guest
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What are the dimensions of the switch? It may possibly fit other non-Emerson models, like early DC fans, maybe with a different shaft. Ceramic diameter & thickness, mounting hole spacing? Do you have a picture of the other side to see how the wires connect? Is it 3 wires, 2-speeds? Thanks. |
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Dennis Parmley Guest 
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I will take one and THANKS. Dennis |
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Josh Taylor Guest
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David Hoatson wrote: What are the dimensions of the switch? It may possibly fit other non-Emerson models, like early DC fans, maybe with a different shaft. Ceramic diameter & thickness, mounting hole spacing? David the switches are copied using a mold that are filled with epoxy resin that is used for stamping brass. It has a 20,000 psi tensil strength. The diameter across is 2.0115 inches. The thickness is .5060 inches on the flat part of the switch not including the raised areas for the switch stops. The distance between the mounting holes is approximately 1.5925 inches. So far I have mounted it in a cf-28, Trojan and even a fern leaf.so the mounts are standard CF spacing. The switch can be wired for on/off or two speed. With a small bit of alteration it could also be made to run 3 speeds though that would not be correct as a reproduction but could be done. I've included the additional pictures you've requested and also one of the original.    Last edited on Sun Jun 19th, 2016 09:25 pm by Josh Taylor |
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David Hoatson Guest
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Very nice! It's amazing what some members are capable of doing. |
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Geoff Dunaway AFCA Member 
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Stephen Sanders wrote: Ornate Emerson Cf like CF-14, CF-20 and CF-28. It fits some others as well but I am uncertain of the complete listEarly Trojan ceiling fans sported this switch on their nose as well |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member 
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Geoff Dunaway wrote: Early Trojan ceiling fans sported this switch on their nose as well Attached Image (viewed 2208 times): |
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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Russ Huber AFCA Member
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Jeff Whitfield AFCA Member 
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I'd like one. |
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Cory Baughn Guest
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I know Ill take two, and maybe three. Funds will dictate that at the time of arrival. How long are you expecting before you have them done? |
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Chris Kelly Guest
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interested in 2 |
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Dan Nguyen AFCA Member 
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I'd like one. |
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Josh Taylor Guest
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Cory Baughn wrote: I know Ill take two, and maybe three. Funds will dictate that at the time of arrival. How long are you expecting before you have them done? We are in the process of getting the materials. As soon as we have them, we will start. Those that have posted that they want one will be contacted and have first right. The rest will go up in a sell thread as they're completed. Doing this as a side project and not working on them full time, it's difficult to give an exact time frame. I will update with a time frame once all materials are in hand. |
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Andrew Block Guest
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I don't have any fans that take this particular switch but I've always wondered how the handle was isolated from the electrical current with the whole thing being metal. |
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David Hoatson Guest
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Andrew Block wrote: I don't have any fans that take this particular switch but I've always wondered how the handle was isolated from the electrical current with the whole thing being metal. If you wired the neutral to the center of the switch and the hot to the stator, then you should be OK, at least by 1920's standards. Neutral rarely gets above a volt or two. |
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Kevin Lee Clark AFCA Member 
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I'll take one. |
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Chuck Abernathy AFCA Member 
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Count me in for one, Josh!Thanks! |
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Stan Adams Super Moderator 
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I would be interested in one Josh. |
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Andrew Block Guest
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David Hoatson wrote: Andrew Block wrote:But if the fan was on, wouldn't the switch handle be live? Not a great thing to try to turn the fan off when you're cold from just getting out of the tub.I don't have any fans that take this particular switch but I've always wondered how the handle was isolated from the electrical current with the whole thing being metal. |
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David Hoatson Guest
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Andrew wrote: But if the fan was on, wouldn't the switch handle be live? Not a great thing to try to turn the fan off when you're cold from just getting out of the tub. Andrew, certainly, having a conductive metal handle connected to the AC power would never be allowed today. Even back then, it was dangerous. Our AC power has a hot (black wire), a neutral (white wire),and ground (green). Neutral is connected to ground in your home breaker box or out on the pole. This keeps neutral close enough to 0 volts as to not be dangerous. However, you won't see me touching it. If it were my fan, I would make sure the neutral got connected to the switch. Also, I would paint the switch handle with clear electrical lacquer. This will give it several thousand volts of insulation. When the fan is on, the switch handle would still be close to 0 volts. The stator coil would see the full 110 volts. Last edited on Wed Jun 22nd, 2016 03:58 am by David Hoatson |
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Geoff Dunaway AFCA Member
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I could put 3 of those to use at least , great project. |
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Josh Taylor Guest
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David Hoatson wrote: Andrew wrote: But if the fan was on, wouldn't the switch handle be live? Not a great thing to try to turn the fan off when you're cold from just getting out of the tub. The handle on the key is insulated. Once the cover is on and you insert the key (part that sticks out you turn) you're safe from being shocked. The originals had some type of Bakelite on them. The reason you see them just brass is because the insulating material became brittle and disentegrated at some point in its life. It is perfectly fine to hook the hot to the switch. |
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David Hoatson Guest
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Josh, So this switch used to have plastic or hard rubber, but now it's cracked off? Makes sense. I would still wire the neutral to the switch and not the hot just to be extra safe. Attached Image (viewed 1650 times): Last edited on Thu Jun 23rd, 2016 12:30 am by David Hoatson |
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David Hoatson Guest
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This is the terminal board from a circa 1920 Hunter C-18. Note the two colors of screws, silver for neutral and gold for hot, just like today. Attached Image (viewed 1728 times): |
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Rick Huckabee AFCA Member 
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I will buy 1 or 2 if available . Thanks for doing this project. |
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Evan Atkinson AFCA Member 
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I will buy one, please and thanks! |
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Stephen Davis Guest 
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I would also like one. Thanks! |
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Josh Taylor Guest
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Update: Most of the materials have arrived. Some parts have been made. Bill and I are getting together this weekend to make more parts. I'll update progress as its made. |
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Dan Nguyen AFCA Member
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As I said, I will buy one. |
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Todd Christensen AFCA Member
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I would take one |
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Dan Nguyen AFCA Member
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I'm still waiting to buy a |
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Josh Taylor Guest
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Dan Nguyen wrote: I'm still waiting to buy aDan, We're currently making the parts. All parts are being made by hand so it is going to take some time but we are working on this daily to try and complete these as fast as possibly. Thank you for your patience. I will start to contact everyone who has posted interest as soon these are ready. Josh. |
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Rick Huckabee AFCA Member
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I'd like to have 2 for sure ..... if any left over then I would buy more just to have extra |
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Bill Hoehn AFCA Member 
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Josh, I can use two more when available. Here are some of the uses---one of which is less common. First the CF-28, Attached Image (viewed 1318 times): |
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Bill Hoehn AFCA Member
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The CF-14, Attached Image (viewed 967 times): |
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Bill Hoehn AFCA Member
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The P.I.12 motor---contemporary with the P.I.-241 and P.I.-242 fans. Attached Image (viewed 1014 times): |
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Dan Nguyen AFCA Member
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I'm still waiting for a switch. Please do not forget me. |
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David Foster AFCA Member 
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If I'm not too late, I'd like one of these. If I am too late, please put me on the standby list in case someone else changes his/her mind. Thank you |
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Josh Taylor Guest
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UPDATE: We're getting close to having some of these ready to sell. Some of the parts we had sent out to have made and they are coming in. I also purchased a 3D printer to make the switch bodies. Just waiting on my CAD guy to finish drawing them so I can print those. We have a good bit that were cast from the original, but between making molds and casting them it was very time consuming. This should speed things up considerably. Hoping everyone that has posted hasn't lost interest because these will be available soon. |
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David Hoatson Guest
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Did these switches ever get produced? Who makes the best handles? Thanks. |
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Jeff Whitfield AFCA Member
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Good question. I never heard anything about these switches coming to fruition. |
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Carlton Ward AFCA Member
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I would like two. Thank-you, |
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David Hoatson Guest
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I'm looking into getting the ceramic part made in glazed porcelain. Does someone else have the tooling to make the brass parts? |
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David Hoatson Guest
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It appears that fresh switches will soon be available, so I am dropping plans to make them. I am pursuing getting brass switch covers made, but want to make sure that no one else has this covered. |
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David Hoatson Guest
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I found a company to make the switch covers, but I need to send them a drawing. I have a couple CF fans and a repro cover, but I would like to get access to an original cover. Anybody out there that can measure an original cover? Or bring one to Fan Fair so I can measure it? Last edited on Wed Jul 18th, 2018 04:42 pm by David Hoatson |
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