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I thought I'd start showing fans grouped by manufacturer. The GE pancakes are what I collect, so I'll start by showing them first. I will point out things that I know about these fans. The only thing for certain is nothing is etched in stone. The museum doesn't have any examples of the 1894/95 Lynn Works fan, so I will start with the 12 inch 1896 trunnion model. The fan doesn't use a switch....Type UI Form E28  S/N 11556. The tag says 104v 60 cycle......Except the fan is wound for 190/220....

This thread will run thru the 1908 models. Please feel free to jump in and post thoughts, pictures, variances of models etc.....

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1897 12 inch trunnion  The switch is in the back of the motor. With that exception, the 96 and 97 are pretty much the same. Struts are soldered to the cage. The six wing blade is held to the shaft by a set screw, with the shaft having a threaded stud on which a thumb wheel and acorn nut are additional means to secure the blade to the hub. Acorn nuts are not slotted. Motor tag is oval (also referred to as a "football tag" by collectors. Info says Type UI Form E3   S/N 16497  104v 60 cycles.

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Also for 1897 is the 10" solid frame aka "stick mount". This example is the same as the GE model, except this one is tagged "London & Manchester Ltd    "Punkah" and is 100 v 42 cycles....S/N 17579

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1898 12 inch trunnion. Paint isn't original but I like it too much to change it. It is a type UI Form E5 S/N 24620  220v 60 cycles. What is unusual is this one rotates CCW. Stator is in opposite of it's CW counterparts, but upon examination, appears to be factory, as everything is wired as one would expect and doesn't appear to have be altered.

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The struts are integrated to the cage and the blade hub is not bored all the way through. Other that those differences, this model is pretty much unchanged from the previous year.

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1899.....S/N range 31001-44000

12 inch Solid Frame Type UI Form F4 s/n 42564

The oil reservoir now becomes a grease cup and mounts on top of the bearing housing.

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Side view....This fan also produced as a one speed, running at 1100 rpm. Letter designation was F5  stator was 6 pole. Russ had a nice example of this one.

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The cages sport the GE logo, although there is an opinion that the earlier models did not have the badge.

The cage's front and rear ring use the same thickness of brass stock. The struts are still attached to the motor studs. Acorn nuts remain unslotted.

The blade is changed to 4 wings

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Motor band....

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1899 Swivel Trunnion  Type UI form E7

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S/n 34540

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104 volts 125 cycles

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Now here is where things can get muddy...Grease cup on top of bearing housing says it's 1899. So does the smooth motor housing.

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Tag says Type UI Form F4....1899 for sure.

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But then the s/n 25125 and the fan's height compared to the other 1899 solid frame tell another story...Unfortunately, the motor and base are all there is...no blade or cage. So what is this? 1898 as the s/n suggests? 1899 as the form designation says? This is what we run into as fan collectors....that oddball fan...Could it have the wrong tag? Was there a height change during 1899?...The base has holes for rubber feet. My '98 does not, nor do any of the earlier fans I've pictured.

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1899 14 inch

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Taller and thicker.....Type UI form G2

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Another fly in the ointment...s/n is 30460...Is it a '98 or a '99?

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1900....Grease cup is put under the bearing housing and becomes an oil reservoir again. Back ring on cage is beefed up a bit. The base on the solid frame is ribbed, same as on the swivel trunnion....acorn nuts are slotted. 

Type UI Form F

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S/N is 132920.......things can get muddy. That serial number belongs to the 1902 groups....

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1900 swivel trunnion Type UI Form E9 s/n 45411

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Nothing muddy about this fan. Everything about it says 1900....

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Then you come across this critter....

Type UI Form E 104v 133 cycles s/n 54982. So it's a 1900 swivel trunnion. Not a problem....

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Thank you for posting! The facts are a fascinating read the fans themselves pure eye candy. :clap::clap:

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This one came off of eBay last week. Pulled the back cover expecting to see a 10 pole stator. Instead, it was a four pole stator with a wiring conversion to change it to 110v. It was a 220v 60 cycle stator.....Go figure.

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Love this thread. Thanks for all you do, Kim. 

And thanks for the Lynn works pix, Dr Bill. I forgot how pretty that fan was when you showed it to me. 

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Not enough syrup to cover all those cakes!
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Thanks Doc for the Lynn Works pix. That is one sweet fan....Sure you don't want to put it on loan to the museum for a while? I'll come over and pick it up........

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Bill Hoehn wrote: Of course you're kidding Kim. 


No, actually I wasn't.....But I don't fault you for wanting to keep it at home.

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Hey guys, wait till Kim gets to Year 1903 GE Pancake production, variances and differences are "endless" that year.

Kim you've most desirable Cakes collection.  

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Early 1899 - E7 model without the GE badge. SN:34598 -104 volts/125 cycles

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 Let's recap before moving into a new century. Using observations and quoting written resources about the 12 inch and 10 inch/14 inch fans in a/c.....

1894 serial numbers run 1 to 1700. You must remember that these numbers aren't just assigned to desk fans, but to ceiling fans, motors etc. The fans produced were all 10 inch solid frame models, no switch, cage, and a six wing blade. Referred to as Lynn Works by collectors.

1895 serial numbers run 1701 to 6700. Twelve inch solid frame fans were introduced. Slightly taller than it's ten inch counterpart to accommodate the larger blade (fan). Ornate back plates stated either Lynn Works or Schenectady.

1896 serial numbers run 6701 to 14200. Twelve inch swivel trunnion model. Oval motor tag with Schenectady location. No switch. Cage is ten s-wire with large open ring and soldered to struts. Back motor cover has 'snowflake' design.

1897 serial numbers run 14201 to 23600. Rear motor cover redesigned to accept a speed control switch. Fans now had two speeds. Models were 10 inch solid frame and 12 inch swivel trunnion (referred to by GE as the "improved '96 model".

1898 serial numbers run 23601 to 31000. Reference material says this year's 12 inch fan is 1/2 thinner and no longer uses the oval motor tag. This might be true with the later models but my example is same thickness motor and has the oval motor tag. Blade is held to shaft by a set screw only and the cage struts are integrated to the cage.

1899 serial numbers run 31001 to 44000. 12 inch fans featured solid frame and swivel trunnion models. Solid frame bases were smooth and motor featured a full circumference brass info band. Swivel trunnion used the half ribbed base like the earlier year models. GE logo introduced on cages. Back ring brass stock is same thickness as front ring. Oil reservoir moves from underneath to on top of bearing housing. S wires continue to be wrapped around rear ring. Blades change from 6 wings to 4 wings. Hub is cast brass. Acorn nuts continue to be unslotted.

1900 serial numbers run 44001 to 70000. Solid frame 12 inch fans use same half ribbed base as it's swivel trunnion counterpart. Oil reservoir moves back underneath front bearing housing. Back ring on cage uses thicker brass stock. Acorns nuts are becoming slotted. A brass oil return is now used instead of a brass band on the front bearing housing.

I haven't touched on the different cycles and voltages that can be found with these models of fans. This just a quick way to visually identify these fans by years or by serial numbers. There are always exceptions, but for the most part, I use these cues for quick identification. If I've left anything out feel free to add input. I am around these fans so much that I forget a lot of things about them.

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This thread just woke me up, thanks Kim all beautiful fans.

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Bill, the serial number ranges are just rough estimates. According to Bill Samek's report on GE Pancakes from 2008, It is suspected that the solid frame 1895 fans continued to be sold into 1896. I have several fans with serial numbers that don't fall into the ranges given......

 

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Kim,

Thanks for showing these cakes. It's great to see them in a timeline like this. Beautiful fans and amazing collection.

I really love your oddity that you have. The paint job just simply shows the life it has had and it looks like a colorful and interesting life. And it's a CCW fan too! Really enjoyed seeing it in person.

I highly suggest people making the time to visit Kim when you can.

Great guy with great fans.

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Bill, without seeing each fan, the sn's would tell me that 49221 and 50354 are 1900. 89323 would be '01. 111662, 142750, and 144349 are '02. 172067 would be 1903 and 189216 would be 1904. The motor tags on these fans would also have Type and Form letter/numbers. 217129 is 1905 and 266080 would be 1906. These fans only have s/n's. Spec numbers probably have to do with size, voltage, and cycles....If you post pics of the two without tags, we can probably get you a year....

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Close ups would be fine....Take your time. I'm gone until Sunday.

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1906 and 1900 as best as I can tell. 

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     How about this bird-footed UI Form C? Any of these to be seen?


        Really enjoying this thread.

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One of the footed Pancakes has been seen years ago.

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Steve Rockwell wrote:      How about this bird-footed UI Form C? Any of these to be seen?
None that I know of, at least with the back switch.   Is that a 16" fan?   Below is Stefan's Form C crowfoot and I had a similar one but they all have the vent holes around the perimeter of the motor and a switch in the base.   I like the one you posted Steve.  There is also a DC crowfoot around that was shown at Fanfair around 2005.

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Steve R., I have seen that motor in the '00 catalog on the Wall mount bracket and desk fan. Reading further into the description for the 1900 16 inch alternating current motors, it states "Trunnion body fitted to wall bracket containing regulating coil and switch, black enamel finish. The 1899 catalog shows a 16 inch wallmount bracket with the switch in the bracket base, not in the rear cover of the motor. In the 1900 catalog, it shows the 16 inch bracket fan with both a switch in the back cap of the motor and a switch in the base. The Fishtail example doesn't show if there are any switches, at least from the angle it is shown...

Continuing into the twentieth century, some changes were made to the 12 inch fans. The motor housings featured cast in bosses for the struts, and are in a + pattern instead of an X. Struts use a wider and thicker brass stock. Cages appear with the s-wires piercing the rear ring. Type letters become AB and AD and Form letter is A for the 1901 models. Vent holes appear around the perimeter of the motor housing.

Type AB Form A

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The serial number is out of sequence....44261

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Bottom strut on trunnion models feature a different strut at the six o'clock position, probably to allow more movement in positioning the fan downward.

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Type AD Form A  sn 88825. This fan features a wrapped rear ring cage. Not the normal, but probably a carryover from the previous year. Notice the hole in the rear cover at the nine o'clock position. As best as I can figure, it is access to hold the rotor in place while attaching the blade..at least with the 60 cycle motors.

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1901 Bracket fan  Type AE Form A  Notice that motor doesn't feature a switch in the back motor housing....

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But the switch and coil are in the base....

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Going backwards, the bracket fan for 1900 Type UI Form K has a hole in the knuckle, to convert the fan from wallmount to desk fan. Not sure how well that would work because of the forward sweep of the trunnion. There's a reason the 1900 16 inch swivel trunnion fan has three fingers projecting from the front of the base....the fan is extremely front heavy.

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1902 Type AB form B. Motor features five speeds for this year's models of 12 inch a/c fans....

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1902 Type AD Form B sn 104336

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Back view....I would venture to guess that these back switched fans were sold into the 1903 model year, but I have never ran across a back switched five speed that had a form C designation..

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Okay, the year 1903 features the desk fan with a switch and regulating coil in the base. Motors are 4 strut, cages are ten wire pierced rear ring, blades are still using cast brass hub. Motor tags are large brass plates or bands. Motor rotors are still using a cast brass hub....This swivel frame  has the six o'clock strut found on it's swivel trunnion counterpart......

Type AB Form C  sn 153235

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1903 Type AD Form C sn 149461

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These models came as a BTH British Thomson Huston....

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And CGE Canadian General Electric.....

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1903 Type AB Form C sn 169279. The swivel trunnion model is Type AK instead of AD and Form remains C. Bases continue to be fully ribbed.  2nd variant features three struts instead of four. Cages start to have 8 s wires instead of ten and blades start to change from cast brass hubs to stamped brass. You will see 2nd and 3rd variants with combinations of blades and cages. I will say that I have never seen an eight s wire wrapped rear ring cage on any 1903 12 inch fan that I would consider correct......

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1903 3rd variant. Swivel frame remains Type AB and swivel trunnion remains Type AK. Motor characteristics remain the same with three struts, but the base for both models become half ribbed. Form letter remains the same for both models..... Form C

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The 1903 base switched fans used brass straps to clamp the regulating coil, the binding posts use a fiberous block, and  the porcelain switch is round. For the most part, this holds true for all three variants of 1903.

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   These photos and the commentary are really an education for me.  Thanks.

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1904 12 inch models of stick and trunnion a/c fans are pretty much identical to the 1903 variants, except that wrapped cages appear on some fans. There is much debate on this, but be aware that they do show up. Blades for the most part are using stamped brass hubs. Type letters are still the same, but Form letter designation is D. The round porcelain switches start using an adapter plate to attach it to the base.......

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The later 1904 models start to feature porcelain switches with cast in mounting tabs. The motor tags become smaller, but continue to use the same Type and Form letter designations....

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Regulating coil still using straps for the most part, to hold it in place.

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1905......Changes to the base are a thumb screw and set screw on either side of the boss cast into the neck. Type and Form letters disappear from the motor tags. Serial number ranges 205001 to 238000. Trunnion stems go from 5/8ths to 3/4 inch. Regulating coils use disks instead of straps, and covers begin to cover the electrics in the base.

 

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Is 1904 the year cages became 8 wire?
The 1902 model and a few others have a hole to the left of coil holder. What is purpose of the hole?

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1903 ...I have found that eight wire cages appear during the 2nd variant model....See post 81 about my thoughts as to the hole in the rear cover...

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1906 is a transitional year. Bases become smooth. Everything else pretty much remains the same. The brass struts do become steel.....serial numbers range from 238001 to 277000.....

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Mid year 1906.....The motor housing changes from the more styled earlier versions to a very plain, smooth housing.....Struts also change again to a plainer style....

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Electrics are now covered and binding post blocks are steel....both bases are 1906...notice the difference?

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The oil return on the swivel frame models are different than their swivel trunnion counter parts. I see this in 1907 models also. The 2nd variant of 1906 remains the same thru model year 1907...s/n range 277001- 314500 and 1908 s/n range 314501-324XXX?

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The rear motor cover on the swivel frame(stick) models in their last style change are different that the covers used on the swivel trunnions models. I'll post a pic later.....I'm sure I have forgotten some things so please add to this post...

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Thank you Kim for a great job on the GE pancakes showing, in chronological order, most of the 12" pancakes making it easy to see the changes over the years.   I have added a "link" to this thread on my pancake blog:

http://earlyfans.blogspot.com/2011/02/ge-pancake-1894-1908.html



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With the exception of the Lynn Works model, you can visit all of the 10-12-14 inch GE pancakes shown, along with several models that weren't, right here at the AFC Museum...It is the entire timeline of pancakes all together.

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Did all of the 1899 (top mounted oiler) GE fans have this kind of oiler cap?

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Terry Fisher wrote: Did all of the 1899 (top mounted oiler) GE fans have this kind of oiler cap?

Psssssssssst........grease cup.  Grease is ........G.ood E.nough. :clap::D

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Ted whittled a few of em. :D

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Bill Hoehn wrote: I've been reviewing the wire versus no wire grease cups, obviously always installed on the top. 

In my experience with earlier steam and auto engines, suspensions, other bipolar motors and various mechanisms, the manufacturers usually made extended threaded caps with instructions on how often to tighten them, and how much, until you had to refill them (mostly on movable machines), or they installed the wire or rod to push the grease into the warm bottom as necessary (mostly on motors and fixed machines).  
This c.1904 AEG grease cup is of the type you unscrew the cap, fill the cup full of grease, then replace the cap.  As needed the cap is screwed down a little (quarter to half turn maybe?) which forces a little more grease into the bearing.  Eventually the cap will be entirely screwed down and the cup empty and will have to be refilled.  The cup in the photo can be screwed down at least another half inch over time.

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I have five 1899 GE pancakes and here are the grease cups.  I see two differences; one has a straight knurl on the cap and two have finer or closer together knurling at the base of the cylinder.  All but one have a small wire on the inside that looks as if it would ride on the motor shaft, maybe helping the grease move to the bearing.
The wire measures 1.275" long in each of the four cups that have the wire.  Diameter is 1/16" wire.
One cup does not have a wire but has some kind of string or cotton stuff in the cup saturated with oil.   I do not think that is original from GE but that all 1899 grease cups came with grease installed as well as the small wire inside the cup.

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Each cap has four thin slits to give a snug but not too tight fit.

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Wire in foreground is in each of the grease cups but for one in which someone put some kind of cotton string packing to absorb oil.

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A good sample like these five cups should accurately show how GE provided the 1899 grease cups on 12" fans.

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Steve,

Thanks for taking all of those outstanding grease cup pictures.  So there were variations in the pancake grease cups even though GE grease cups were used for only a short time. Also I did not know they should have "poking" wires inside!

My favorite pancakes are the BTH and the CGE because of the badges on those fans.

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Somebody else brought up oilers and many of these are ge. 

Sorry Kim and anyone else if I offended you.

Moderators; Please feel free to eliminate any of my posts that you feel are inappropriate, and I'll try to be more careful.

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I liked docs post and this is about oilers... There is plenty of room for those of us wondering about the differences in oilers and greasers... Yall need to chill a little bit and open the tent flap a crack and understand many of us enjoyed docs post... Dang...
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Steve it was RELATED discussion!

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Bill Hoehn wrote: Somebody else brought up oilers and many of these are ge. 

Sorry Kim and anyone else if I offended you.

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Bill, feel free to jump in any time and take this thread wherever you want it to go.  I saw the oilers and thought they were pretty cool.....But since we were talking about pancakes, how about some 16 inch fans.
Steve Rockwell posted some pics of the 16 inch 1900 bracket and desk models. I have not seen that configuration with a back switch. I have seen this one, abet, years ago at Fan Fair 2003 in Wichita. This picture is from the American Fan Collector magazine from 1998. Seeing it in person, it was missing the switch and had the wrong cage. I don't remember if the blade was correct or not, but this is the only dc Fishtail model I have seen. I don't know what happened to it after Loyd's death...

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George Durbin wrote: I liked docs post and this is about oilers... There is plenty of room for those of us wondering about the differences in oilers and greasers... Yall need to chill a little bit and open the tent flap a crack and understand many of us enjoyed docs post... Dang...
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Steve it was RELATED discussion!
I liked seeing Bills' oilers and greasers but it really was not related to this topic "Fans of the Museum" (Pancakes) and would have been great in a new but separate topic.  Bill, I'll not say a thing it you want to repost.  If I chill any more I will have to don my ski clothing; San Francisco can be cool in the summer and it's only 70.7  deg. in the house now because I opened the tent flaps last night and ran my whole house fan.  But that's not related either so I beg your pardons.

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Does any one know why the fish tale fan was made? Was it intended to look good as a wall mount? This always made me wonder why... This may have been covered before... I missed it if it was discussed...
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George Durbin wrote: Does any one know why the fish tale fan was made? Was it intended to look good as a wall mount? This always made me wonder why... This may have been covered before... I missed it if it was discussed...
geo...

It was made to support center of gravity properly as the Yoke was profiled forward not straight up as you see in regular 16" Pancakes there for the weight of heavy 16" motor+ blades + cage sticks out well over the center of the base. Fish Tail simply provides support and esthetic look at the same time.

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Here is Stefan's Form C (1903) crowfoot.  I didn't think the crowfoot was made that late.
Edit:  It wasn't made that late and Kim informs me that Form C is not the same as with the 12" AC models where it is 1903.    I actually had this fan listed as a 1900 model but the pinned cage would not have been made that year nor the smaller badge.   Cage looks like a new reproduction and is constructed as would be a 1901 through earlier 1903 with pinned rear ring.  1900 16" would have had wrapped rear wires.


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1904 trunnion has straight arms giving better balance to the motor over the base.

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George Durbin wrote: Does any one know why the fish tale fan was made? Was it intended to look good as a wall mount? This always made me wonder why... This may have been covered before... I missed it if it was discussed...
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Wasn't there a similar fan being worked in last May in Harrison? It was painted white. I saw it and did not realize what it was until now.

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Here's a photo I took of Loyd Davis's 16" GE DC fishtail.   I did ask Loyd how he acquired this and now I can't remember for sure.  I think he bought it from a fellow antique dealer who held it for him.   I bought a fan from Loyd and saw this one when I went down to pick up my fan.   Asked if it was for sale and all he said was, "Let's not do this today".    His way of saying NFS. 

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Was waiting for DC fans to begin as a separate category.
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Type FD 16" Form B Fan Motor   Model 1900  cat. 23310

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Unlabeled. Let the pros weigh in...

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Same fan, four more to go...

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Real curious look to it...
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Last 5 photos taken at a different time from post 141.
Are these 5 also FD form D?

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Steve Stephens wrote: Here is Stefan's Form C (1903) crowfoot.  I didn't think the crowfoot was made that late.



 

It is a type UI form C......has nothing to do with 1903. Here is one example we have in the museum. It too is a type UI form C....I have seen these in a closed motor (no vent holes around perimeter) and as a type AD form A with struts in + pattern.....

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1901 Type AA form A solid frame.....

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It is a 2 speed motor. Notice the cage clip at six o'clock...

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1902 Type AA Form B. Same fan as the 1901 except it is now a five speed....

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1903 Type AD Form C.....trunnion mount, large cage badge, 4 struts, full rib base, five speeds, large brass motor tag, 10 wire cage, cast brass blade hub. What holds true for 1903-1908 12 inch trunnion fans is the same for the 16 inch fans. There may have been some carry over of the 16 inch solid frame fans, but for the most part, the new models are swivel trunnion. Base and trunnions are the same size as their 12 inch counterparts. To accommodate the larger size blade/cage, a riser is used between the base and trunnion. 1903/04 risers are ribbed....

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1903 2nd variant....motor features three struts. Eight wire cages start to appear, as do stamped brass blade hubs. You will see 10 wire cages with stamped hubs, 8 wire cages with cast hubs...etc. Everything else is pretty much the same.....Type changes to AK, Form remains C....

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1903 Type AK form C  3rd variant...Base changes to half ribbed. Everything else remains pretty much the same....eight wire cages use the smaller GE badge....

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1904 Type AK Form D...Same as the 3rd variant 1903. Rotors hubs begin to change over from a cast brass 4 spoke hub to laminated with holes.......

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The cage on this one has a pierced rear ring, but the badge is slotted to fit over s wires. Maybe a repair??? Who knows?

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1904 Type AK Form D. While the only change to this model is the motor tag becoming small, I will call it the 2nd variant......

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1905....No more type or form letters...Trunnion stems start to change thickness from 5/8ths" to 3/4", Wing bolts begin to change over to brass shoulder bolts, Motor positioning begins to use thumb screw in the trunnion instead of a notched spacer....

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side....Riser changes from ribbed to smooth. Neck of base uses a set screw and thumb screw to hold trunnion, instead of just a set screw like previous year..

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1906....base changes to all smooth. Motor housing remains the same as prior year......steel struts start appearing...

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1906 2nd variant....Motor housing changes to smooth....Like it's 12 inch counterpart, the trunnion becomes smoother also.

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and 1908 remain the same as the 2nd variant 1906. Serial numbers will be the only way to tell the year of manufacture.

 

This thread is brought to you courtesy of the AFC Museum at Fanimation. Come by for a visit and see all of these fans, along with another thousand or so............

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   Thanks, Kim
Outstanding informative thread, a real incentive to get to the museum.

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Kim Frank wrote: 1904 Type AK Form D. While the only change to this model is the motor tag becoming small, I will call it the 2nd variant......
Just a small edition to 1904, 16" Pancakes thread, I have another type of Name plate for this year it is narrow about 0.900" and the same length as the wide one.

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Thanks Kim,

I appreciate the work and extra effort put into your Pancakes!  Can you just begin to imagine what you would have now if you had started with EMERSONS!                         

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Thanks Bill. And yes, I can imagine....I'd be busy baking cookies, having afternoon tea parties, binge watching the HallMark Movie Channel, boohooing at all the sad scenes, and probably driving some Dodge pos to Bingo........Around here, Friends don't let friends collect Emersons....

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Hahaha very funny Kim
When was the last pancake made?

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Hey Jon, I missed you in Louisville....The cakes go thru 1908

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Steve Stephens wrote: Here is Stefan's Form C (1903) crowfoot.  I didn't think the crowfoot was made that late.
Edit:  It wasn't made that late and Kim informs me that Form C is not the same as with the 12" AC models where it is 1903.    I actually had this fan listed as a 1900 model but the pinned cage would not have been made that year but would have had the wires wrapped around the rear ring.   This cage looks like a new reproduction and is constructed as would be a 1901 through earlier 1903 with pinned rear ring.  1900 16" would have had wrapped rear wires.  Serial No. for this fan is 61608 that fits into the 1900 year.


I don't think it was made to be wall mounted as there are no mounting holes or tabs on the base.

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There is nothing about the Crowfoot (Fishtail) fan that fits neatly into a category of described characteristics for a given year, say 1900. If that were the case, then what you said about the cage would be correct, it would be wrapped instead of pinned to the rear ring. But....then the motor would not have vent holes around the perimeter of the housing. And having vent holes, the strut pattern would be in a cross, not an X pattern using the motor studs for mounting if we follow what we know as cues for given 12 inch model years. On top of that, the motors should be back switched....I know of at least 9 or 10 of these fans. There are two with solid motors ( no perimeter vent holes)with one having a wrapped cage and one a pierced cage. There are at least five I know of with perimeter vent holes and struts in an X pattern. One of those I know has a wrapped cage. There's at least one out there that is DC, using the roundball motor. It's cage is incorrect if we go by what is normal. There's one out there with perimeter vent holes, wrapped cage, and struts in a + pattern. And then there's the photos of one that Steve R. posted....So what is the norm? 

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While technically these aren't 'Pancakes" , they were produced at the same time as cakes...

This is a 12 inch 1903 dc type DA form C. What holds true for the cakes carries over to these...10 wire cage, cast brass blade hub, C as the form letter...

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1904 Type AA form D......saw those type letters on the 1901/02 16 inch fans. This one is 125v 40 cycles. It uses the same switch and choke coil as the AC cakes....

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Back...8 wire cage, form is D, blade is cast brass (usually stamped brass hub) coil holder is brass straps...all typical cues for the 1904 model year...

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1905 125 v 40 cycle  trunnion mount...

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Missed u too Kim
Wish I could have made it
But I couldn't
Thanks it's been neat looking at these pancakes

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Here you go Jon, I know you need your GE fix.   Stay safe my friend.


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