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 Posted: Fri Oct 8th, 2021 02:33 am
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Jan Hendriks
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Hi all,      Nichrome wire , many years ago on here ,think :wondering: i saw a post on Insulated Nichrome wire ??  
Reason i ask ,
 from time to time i go thru the process of winding N wire around a circular core , never easy as the wire is very springy ....If i go smaller diametre wire , the more turns i have to make to get the resistance i need ..
ONE mistake and its back to square one ....if the wire was insulated , hey would make life so much easier for me ...
any help ...thanks 


     I have a rare fan  :D  32 volts ...have made a complete switch assembly , after a member here sent me pics etc of a original one ..rare yes ,there are two of them ...with in the afca ..


Mine is missing a switch ..so


My first switch made from scratch...  The 4 little nuts i bought...rest i done on a little lathe 
    and a home made attachment to Slit the tops of the bolts .8 mm slot ...so much fun making this ..



A fine fan friend supplied the white electricains "fuse board"   that gave me just enough to cut out ..board had a lot of pre..holes ..










3 speed   ...




 Can see why the need for a Nichrome wound resistor ... :D


while im here ...

This fan has a Unique lubrication system ..
      A small brass ring, spins from contact with the armature shaft , spinning thru the oil in the cover


         cover below ..red arrow is wher oil filler location  ..green arrow  drain plug

 
 in my hand..all brass cast and machined ...one piece 


Once the cover is attached , the bolt used passes thru the lower part of the brass ring ..as a sort of keeper 



The fan awaiting a speed coil ..


Well , hoping someone can help on the wire  ..and hope you enjoyed the lube..system .
Cheers from down here have a great day  :hammer:
jan

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 Posted: Fri Oct 8th, 2021 02:50 am
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Exquisite work!
That oiling system reminds me a bit of automotive type before full pressure types. You do find interesting fans!

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 Posted: Fri Oct 8th, 2021 05:50 am
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Thomas Peters wrote: Exquisite work!
That oiling system reminds me a bit of automotive type before full pressure types. You do find interesting fans!

Its also very similar to the oiling system used on the old Century Skeletal motors from the 1910s... :wondering:

I didn't realize the Brits and Aussies used 32v DC electrical systems, I thought the 32v Delco Generators were strictly an American Innovation... :wondering: :?

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 Posted: Thu Oct 21st, 2021 08:19 pm
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I used to buy wire from Pelican Wire. They have all alloys, insulated, and gauges. I assume they’re still in business.

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 Posted: Fri Oct 22nd, 2021 12:14 am
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Hi Steve , thanks mate ..did receive some help ..info thru messages       


Thomas ,. yeah like em odd..


This ones got me beat ?.....BGS    


Solid, well built..very similar to a Dr Max 


...bolts ,  blade to cast hub attachment


front and rear covers have location pins ...big open vents ...not a max but a good    copy ?


Made in a  German speaking country ...


Very odd strut location 


Badge below 


struts 



big vents 


finished in RP japan  with new wings, brush holders & caps  etc ..




sits nicerly ..but if only ..had a cage 


 has  any body  seen this model ?   no prob making a cage ..just need to know what ??


    Thanks too ....will miss this old site , been apart of my day for a very long time ..
cheers 
jan


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 Posted: Fri Oct 22nd, 2021 01:41 pm
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This ones got me beat ?.....BGS 

     I tried "BSG" imagining the large "G" to be gesellschaft, which led........ nowhere...


        excepting British Standard Gauge wire.....

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 Posted: Fri Oct 22nd, 2021 11:47 pm
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Hi Steve  ,          
Received this reply a while back from Pete Moulds 
BGS or BSG ?
I have a few ideas on your BGS fan and I think you are right it is likely German in origin or just possibly from a German speaking country.
The design of the label with the plain brass oblongs being stamped with numbers is very like AEG.


AEG named their fan models as follows;
either
G for Gleichstrom  for direct current or 
W for Wechsel-oder Drechstrom or alternating current

The second letter seems to be a model number (B in this case and yours too) with the early massive AEGs designed by Peter Behrens.
The number 30 following is the diameter of the cage in cm or 10s of cm in the above case..

I suspect that part of the problem chasing down the name is because the name was BSG. The G being for Gesellschaft or Company in German?

:D..

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 Posted: Fri Nov 5th, 2021 11:51 pm
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Tony ...offered to have a go at wrapping some N wire ..using Nomex thread  700 F temp ..
          


wire was layed out to find right length for a med ,low etc..then
  easerly wrapped around a insulated tube 

 a job i used to   hate !!  
               The roll   :hammer:  as sent   and got here very fast ..


Insulated and a few more turns on out side 
  running as it was ment to be ... :clap: :clap: :clap:






Tony , exellent job my friend ,
        Can see many uses for this in ..my future  eh 
cheers  jan






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Excellent collaboration!

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Jan,
Thanks for giving this porotype a go! 

I'm very pleased to have been able to help you out with your projects.

Looking forward to working with you on many more.

Tony

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 Posted: Sat Nov 6th, 2021 12:48 am
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Here are a couple magnified images of the Nichrome. I did this like the old stuff was made with a wrap vs a braid. 






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Jan,
Here is an AEG fan I believe and the type starts with G but it is Alt. Current not DC.  Not sure this helps but just additional info. 





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Motoe Looks very similar to this Azaria german fan.



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 Posted: Mon Nov 8th, 2021 02:28 am
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Jan Hendriks
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Anthony Lindsey wrote: Motoe Looks very similar to this Azaria german fan.




Hi Anthony
 yes very much same same ..Azaria used the double ring pieced cage as Dr Max Levy
   Just happen to have one hanging on the wall ..think will suit the fan fine ..
thanks  jan

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Reporting back on Tony's wire  multiple runs over the last week , decide is time to empty oil tanks and check visually ..
no sign of any "disruption" or shorts in wire .. :clap:   mate i  recon you nailed this .


sorry bit blurry ..but is as i wrapped it




A rare fans gets another lease on life ..lucky  :D ..




Over the last year, i have enjoyed restoring Delios' and finding new and unexpected homes
 for them , i seem to have a few of em always about ..so why not ..


 I all so take great pleasure in seeing my fans and parts around the world on friends shelves ..


:D   When Tony sent me the message . stating "he'd have a go at this "...no where was there any mention of $$..all i knew that , super fast and wire was on my door stop..A true gentleman .
mmmm. :light:
so i look around the shop.. 
aha ..some cast iron on the "pile" has  been cleaned ..but not much else 
a quik resto took place ...i squeeze this fan in under pressure ..ha  





My good friend..not as perfect as i like ..but runs fine 
most of it is new ..cage ,blade, brush holders etc ..and Ricks japan alway a winner 


you may want to change the cord and plug   :P
















      I get this of in next few days recon post be slow ..will be a wait as the xmass rush? 
 Tony ,hope you have room for a marelli    
  they do grow on you , and one is a lonely number :cool:


cheers from here ..thank you all .
jan

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 Posted: Wed Nov 17th, 2021 12:22 am
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Jan Hendriks wrote: Reporting back on Tony's wire  multiple runs over the last week , decide is time to empty oil tanks and check visually ..
no sign of any "disruption" or shorts in wire .. :clap:   mate i  recon you nailed this .


sorry bit blurry ..but is as i wrapped it




A rare fans gets another lease on life ..lucky  :D ..




Over the last year, i have enjoyed restoring Delios' and finding new and unexpected homes
 for them , i seem to have a few of em always about ..so why not ..


 I all so take great pleasure in seeing my fans and parts around the world on friends shelves ..


:D   When Tony sent me the message . stating "he'd have a go at this "...no where was there any mention of $$..all i knew that , super fast and wire was on my door stop..A true gentleman .
mmmm. :light:
so i look around the shop.. 
aha ..some cast iron on the "pile" has  been cleaned ..but not much else 
a quik resto took place ...i squeeze this fan in under pressure ..ha  





My good friend..not as perfect as i like ..but runs fine 
most of it is new ..cage ,blade, brush holders etc ..and Ricks japan alway a winner 


you may want to change the cord and plug   :P
















      I get this of in next few days recon post be slow ..will be a wait as the xmass rush? 
 Tony ,hope you have room for a marelli    
  they do grow on you , and one is a lonely number :cool:


cheers from here ..thank you all .
jan

Jan,

    I'm so absolutely thrilled the porotype nichrome gave your rare Marelli a new lease on life. This made my day to hear she happy and running as she should again. All she ever needed was a little more love from you Jan. 

  As for the Delio....Beautiful, Gorgeous, Amazing craftmanship. I'm certainly not deserving on this. Jan a Claus & Christmas just come early! I'm speechless. (Hope the rest of you get a Marelli under your tree ;o).  This was not something you needed to do my friend. I will treasure this forever. I'm truly honored and grateful to own a fan from a Marelli Master. Words just don't come to type how this makes me feel. Thank you Jan from the bottom of my heart. I look forward to the next project Jan!

Cheers mate
Thank you again.
Tony

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Jan is a class act all the way around, a true gentleman.

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Yes Rick.. I second that ..Jan is a top bloke..I have been blessed with his kindness on many occasions.Enjoy your fan Tony.. I’m sure it will give you much pleasure 😎

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When two masters come together amazing things happen! Great job you two.

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Jan,

    I'm reporting back on the safe arrival of the gifted Delio Jan was to kind to send. Thrilled absolutely gorgeous, amazing craftmanship. I'm certainly never expected this nor am I deserving of this work of art. 
Jan a Claus & Christmas just came early for me!  Again still speechless. (May the rest of you find a Marelli under your tree this year).  
I will dearly treasure this forever. I'm truly honored and grateful to own a fan from a Marelli Master. Words just don't come to type how this makes me feel. 
Thank you again Jan from the bottom of my heart. I look forward to our next projects
Jan!

PS This was packed well enough to drop off a multi story building and survive!

Cheers mate......Merry Christmas
Thank you again.
Tony



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Tony ,   Many a kind word above , including yours  mate  :hammer:
time permitting i  have other marellis', to use this wire on ...

               I'm the one that's a bit speech less. I thank you all
Many a good friend i have made world wide ,often thru this club..but always ,starts with a fan ..

    cheers from the tropics ...
                     enjoy the day 
cheers jan 
       
     
  

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Jan, 
I took this photo of the Delio to show you nestled into her new home.
Thanks again mate for one of the BEST Christmas fan years ever!




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The second run done. Nomex applied differently than the first style twisted like original to the day years ago. 30AWG 7ohms per foot.






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Tony Clayton wrote: The second run done. Nomex applied differently than the first style twisted like original to the day years ago. 30AWG 7ohms per foot.







Hi mate , it gets better ? looking good .. :hammer:
  what was left of the original wire you sent, was enough to wire up to original 3 speed specs 
your Delio's  big brother, 12" Bisa 


The third fan in the set, rare  16" ball motor Ghibli..
  needs a speed coil tooo.. :wondering:




this fan is a daily runner , can operate 24/7,..Built up season here in the tropics , 
my fans do get a work out ..
again Tony, hats off to you mate ...a much needed product .
cheers jan

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I mailed out nichrome wire now to a few other interested parties. Very curious to hear their feedback.

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Hi again....lots of views on this post            great job   Tony,  

               Back home for a day and next door hands me the post ....


assortment of wire ,   wow ...i ask for pig tail wire for brush holders and  the new improved N wire ..
speechless again ..every thing i can think of, use for wire  is here   !!


Next is color coded wire  ..a signature wire color for use on my fans only  eh  ...


New N wire   ....tony can let you know what im looking at , but is braided...more secure 



An example on wire use    :D ...this is a base of a bisa ..
.a slip ring is being mounted ..(where once a tube shaped   speed coil was located)
 ,        under brass cap in pic....

a new position and a shape ,can now be made for a speed coil ..this is not possible with out Tony's help






Wire 
 ha where do i want it...:light:..a brass tube with the wire cemented in side ..tube will rotate inside the bored out 
   center shaft ? bit.... hey bit in pic , holds the yoke .. :P..idea being all will spin 360
proto type was knocked up down stairs ..in pic ..now new plates made for machining ..


great work ..i using/learning  a new phone for pics .
Tony you may want to drop some better pics down here .., .
cheers my friends 
jan

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Just wanted to make a reply here to state how incredibly pleased I am with this roll of Nichrome insulated wire I just purchased from Tony. I have an 8" Westinghouse switch that needed new wire and the insulated copper I had wasn't creating enough resistance. This particular switch is wrapped several times over and could not be done without insulated wire or it wouldn't work. I have yet to rewind the thing but I have no doubt it will work beautifully. After I wind it I will varnish it with a black varnish as it was originally. I couldn't be happier and it is nice to know we have another original recreation available in restorations.
Much kudos and admiration to Tony's work. I also had some twisted wire and over braid wire in my order and to those of you who have yet to try out his work. YOU WILL NOT BE DISSAPPOINTED! Well worth the money in my opinion!
Thanks again Tony.



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